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Yep. Ditching wheat / grains helps many, also.
you do know bacon is a processed food, right?
and I’ll repeat myself:
What they fail to address with the statement of it “is sound”, are the impacts of the over 7 billion in human population, plus industrialization, and the addition of the billions of gallons of no less than 80,000 toxic chemicals we are pouring into the world’s waters, soils and air that exacerbates biomagnification in the “food” chain- in addition, that thing called empathy and the social justice issues that rises to consciousness with it.
“When asked what she would tell people who wished to pursue a true paleolithic diet, Dr. Hoyes laughed harshly before replying. ”You really want to be paleo? Then don’t buy anything from a store. Gather and kill what you need to eat. Wild grasses and tubers, acorns, gophers, crickets- They all provide a lot of nutrition. You’ll spend a lot of energy gathering the stuff, of course, and you’re going to be hungry, but that’ll help you maintain that lean physique you’re after. And hunting down the neighbor’s cats for dinner because you’ve already eaten your way through the local squirrel population will probably give you all the exercise you’ll ever need.”
While they aren’t pro-vegan by any means, they certainly are not pro-paleo philosophy. What they aren’t talking about when they say it is “sound” is the impacts of the over 7 billion in human population, plus industrialization, and the addition of the billions of gallons of no less than 80,000 toxic chemicals we are pouring into the world’s waters and soils and air that exacerbates biomagnification in the “food” chain, and of course, that thing called empathy and the social justice issues that rises to consciousness with it. That last line in the excerpt above, sums up my previous statement in another thread that unleashing the 30 million Americans with guns (who laughably aren’t all savvy or responsible “hunters” -as was inferred in the response to that previous statement- just people with guns) would pretty much eliminate what is left of the ever decreasing wildlife in this land in about 13 days should SHTF. Stop poisoning the weeds and discover the health benefits of purslane, milk thistle and dandelion. :-)
I enjoyed it, although, it was predictable.
Anther vegan bacon recipe:
3.5-ounce (100 g) package shiitake mushrooms
1 tablespoon (15 ml) olive oil
1 tablespoon (15 ml) tamari
1/2 teaspoon toasted sesame oil
1/2 teaspoon liquid smoke
1/4 teaspoon fine sea salt
1/4 teaspoon ground black pepper
Preheat the oven to 350°F (180°C, or gas mark 4). Remove the stems from the mushrooms and discard. Slice the caps into 1/8 inch (3 mm) strips. Put the mushrooms in a medium bowl and add the olive oil, tamari, liquid smoke, salt, and pepper. Toss to coat completely then spread in a single layer on a rimmed baking sheet. Bake for 20 to 25 minutes, stirring occasionally, until nicely browned. The “bacon” will crisp as it cools. Use the “bacon” the same day it is made for the best texture. It can be re-crisped at 350°F (180°C, or gas mark 4) for 5 minutes, if necessary.
Damn. They served eggplant in one of the few ways I’d actually eat the thing.
1. That does sound yummy.
2. There is nothing about this that seems bacony.
Fatty, crispy and smokey = bacony :-)
try it and you may discover it an adequate substitute with a lot of benefits and want to impress your vegan friends who remember their former love of bacon. Most of us weren’t born and raised vegan.
Spicy Smoky Coconut Bacon
Makes 5 cups (make a lot all at once and store them in a tight container)
1/2 cup Tamari, low sodium
1/4 cup maple syrup
1 Tbsp Liquid Smoke
1 Tbsp toasted sesame oil
1 tsp. garlic granules
1 tsp. onion powder
1/8 – 1/4 tsp. cayenne powder (1/4 tsp if you want is SPICY)
1/8 tsp. ground black pepper
5 cups dry unsweetened coconut large flakes
Combine thoroughly all of the the marinade ingredients above in a bowl (without the coconut flakes).
Then, add the coconut flakes and gently stir them to combine with the marinade. Stir gently so not to break the large flakes. I like to let it sit for about 1 hour since the coconut flake is dry I want the coconut to soak in the marinade.
After about 1 hours, preheat oven to 325 F. Layer 2 large cookie sheets with parchment paper or foil (parchment works better). Then, spray them with canola oil spray.
Layer the marinated flakes, as single layer as possible, on the 2 cookie sheets. Do not pour leftover marinade sauce onto the sheets since we want to bake them to dry.
Bake for 10 minutes. Take them out and stir. The flakes should be slighly brown by now.
Then, bake them again for 5 more minutes. At this point keep watching so they don’t get burnt. It is easy to burn them so be careful. Depending on how hot your oven is. Take them out and stir and check. The baked flakes should still be WET but the flakes are BROWNED and all liquid marinade is ABSORBED. If the flakes are too wet, after stirring them, bake them again for another 3-5 minutes but keep checking.
How do you know when they are done? The flakes will still be limp and brown but not burnt. The flakes should NOT BE CRISPY when you take them out of the oven. They will be crispy during the cooling down process. Leave the flakes on the cookie sheets and let them cool. As they cool they will become crispy and dry. When they are cool, rake them gently with a fork and pick out the ones stuck to the parchment paper or foil. Store in a tight jar and last for 2 months.
Note: if they are not crispy when they are already cool, put is in a 250 F for 5 minutes and then let them cool again.
yeah, my commute is only 18 minutes.
you can pretty much get anywhere in the Columbus Area in 25 minutes.
Definitely agree. It is liberating after living in cities where it can take an hour to get 5 miles. It has only happened to me here a few times, mostly because of rubberneckers at the accident scene, freeway closures during presidential visits, or new road construction.
That is all complete crap. There is absolutely zero scientific evidence for any of the claims made above. Most is complete nonsense.
I can tell you are angry, because that is not a very rational or even accurate statement. Are you saying animal flesh has fiber? That fiber does not come from plants? That fiber is not protective? Those were three of the claims and are pretty easy to prove they are not “complete crap with zero scientific evidence”.
Of course it doesn’t sound convincing to you, you have an agenda that is contrary to that. As to sounding scientific (and I’m not trying to be insulting) the things that you have posted on this and other threads to provide “scientific” evidence to support your beliefs leads me to guess you don’t know a great deal about the biological sciences.
I’m an immunologist. My graduate work was in cancer immunology.
For you to say something like “it never will” is not scientific. It sounds ideological and the rest of it is dismissive (as I am accused of here regularly) You lumped all of the information shared as “complete crap”.
Heterocyclic amines (HCAs) immediately come to mind since most people cook the animals before they eat them. (Some people here claim to eat animals raw, I wonder if having parasites enriches their paleo experience, how authentic…sounds like Russian Roulette and compelling candidacy for the “Darwin” award) So, to make contaminated and bacteria ridden decomposing animal carcass safer to eat, there is increased risk of cancer at the traditional holiday er…BBQ. Especially for those who like carcass charred and crispy. Add the processed variety, and it gets even more risky.
I’m happy to concede that you know a lot more than I do about immunology and could very easily deliver information on the finer details of IGF1. That is only one fairly insignificant piece of the litany of issues we’ve talked about here.
I’ve been more than transparent on my agenda, even the opening statement of this thread makes my position clear. But I will not let the assumption and assertion stand that it is at the expense of health risk to others. You will see again and again where I am giving example after example of how carcass eating has harmed our culture, human health, the animals themselves, and our collective sustainability. You have to at least concede that there is an abundance of health information extolling the benefits of a well balanced, whole foods, organic, plant-based diet, even a vegan one?
What I have found about immunologists is that they don’t know a lot about nutrition. You may be different. Most clinicians and scientists don’t. Like immunology, Nutrition is very, very specific, with sub-specialties within it as well. Vegan nutrition is a specialty. As is raw food nutrition and fruitarian nutrition, macrobiotic etc. Would you mind sharing, what is yours? T cells perhaps? How much of your program covered human nutritional science? Or did you take additional courses out of personal interest? Are you willing to share the subject of your dissertation?
As my mother was treated for breast cancer, I asked her oncologist if he had any dietary recommendations for her and the ONLY thing he had to say to her was, “The standard of care for your stage of cancer is radiation treatment”. They had ZERO information to share on potential mitigating dietary strategy. Why do you think that is? I imagine in your work you have read the study that just 1 teaspoon of refined sugar can retard the T1 cancer fighting cells for 5 hours. My charitable opinion would just say it is because they are very, very specialized. Nutrition is not part of the oncologist’s coursework, but I was shocked that he ignored the question entirely, as if it had no relevance. I would have appreciated something even as simple as “Do you drink pop? If so, stop!”
In the interest of keeping things open and informative, if you have time it will do myself and all of us a service, if you share your expertise on what you know, with more supporting data. I do appreciate your engagement.
I’m a PhD. I’ve studied cancer, IGF1, antioxidants, etc. I know how to open and read scientific papers. He lacks a firm grasp of what he’s talking about. Dr. Oz and the people who appear on The Doctors are MDs as well. They have about the same level of science IQ as this…gentleman. The videos may support his arguments, unfortunately they are not supported by science.
What is your PhD specialty?
A statement like this doesn’t sound very convincing or scientific.
Animal protein intake has yet to be linked conclusively to increased risk of cancer. And it never will.
Where exactly are you getting the info that IGF1 binds to fiber and is eliminated? The only paper I could find speaking about fiber and IGF1 showed that high fiber intake increased IGF1 levels in the blood. The website you cited sounds scientific, but cherry picking data from review papers isn’t really a good way to support an argument. IGF1 production is controlled by GH. Animal protein intake has yet to be linked conclusively to increased risk of cancer. And it never will. Factory farmed meat has many issues associated with it, and high consumption of meat from those sources may someday be linked to diseases, but animal protein is not carcinogenic in and of itself.
Watch the original video posted. Read the studies clearly referenced in the video. He gives instructions on how to access them on the website. There are several supporting videos on the site. Open your mind and take the argument to the MD who is making the claims, he answers comments on his threads when he can.