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Hi BianCam –
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Is it known yet who’s building-out the two remaining Fireproof retail units, between Chipotle & Wright-Patt?January 4, 2016 8:37 am at 8:37 am in reply to: The View on High – Mixed Use Development on Site of North Campus Wendy's #1109069
Why does everything in my retail business smell like onions, middle eastern spices and fried falafel? Well… I know why, but am getting rather tired of the fact that Brassica has not “fixed” their venting issues.
Good luck with that. If anyone out there has a commercial hood system, especially in an old building, that captures ALL cooking odors I’d like to hear about it and see it.
While I see Rogue as very positive for the city, I don’t see how it will contribute much to the Milo neighborhood. I see it similar to Abbott and Kroger, two other well-established, large industrial facilities that provide lots of higher paying jobs. They are both located less than a mile down Cleveland Ave. but they have no observable positive impact on Milo. The same applies to Columbus State and other large facilities closer to downtown. I really don’t see how they are impacting Milo in any way. The people that work for Rogue are unlikely to reside in Milo, at least in its present condition. Very few people with significant income reside in Milo.
Which retail has expressed interested in building at this site? I couldn’t find any news reports that anyone was interested.
A couple of decades ago, shortly after the highly-successful Lennox Center was built west of SR315, at that former industrial site, a developer expressed interest in “capturing” a large part of Milo, including Timkin, to redevelop it into a retail center similar to Lennox. The developer wanted the parcel to abut I-71 to gain visibility and access from the interstate. As I recall, politics prevented that from happening. Had that development occurred, there would be major retail and major economic activity in Milo today, and probably demand for new housing.
The only other contender that I could find was Stone Brewing, but they chose Richmond over Columbus.
Yes, had we been lucky to land Stone they would have built something mostly industrial, but they also wanted to include on-site retail. I think that would have helped a lot to draw good traffic and higher awareness to Milo, from Short North, campus, and downtown. Also, Stone wasn’t going to occupy the whole Timkin site, allowing room for other companies or other uses to also be developed there, e.g. Jeni’s and others.
This site also can’t be compared to Grandview Yard or Jeffrey Park. Those are developments that that were born out of high-demand in the area and a dearth of available undeveloped land. Building a mixed-use development on the Timken site right now would be a colossal failure.
I disagree. I’m not an expert, but I think with the right long term planning, community reinvestment, and incentives, Timken could have been made into something that drew interest from and contributed to the surrounding areas in more ways than this pure industrial facility will. Rogue is apparently going to take up all of the land on that site. Unless tracts of residential land are now raised in Milo, I’m not sure what land remains to develop anything that can be better integrated with the neighborhood. There are only small commercial parcels left along Cleveland and St Clair. There may be a few larger parcels north of 5th Ave and west of Cleveland, but those are less accessible. I see Timkin as being very similar to Grandview Yard, Jeffery, Coated Fabrics, and Lennox… they are all large former industrial sites close to downtown, campus, the Short North, and inner-urban highways. The difference is Timkin is set in an impoverished neighborhood, along a corridor of impoverished neighborhoods, that’s a little more isolated from all of the better areas lying west of it. But Timkin is still very well-located. In fact, it’s a shorter, safer and easier walk/bicycle to Timkin from Short North/High Street than it is to Grandview Yard or Lennox.
Just some general info: It’s worth mentioning that nearly all foundations underlying buildings in inner-city historic neighborhoods are made of stone and brick (towards the top). Stone foundations don’t really “crack”, rather they differentially settle as the soft mortar between the stones dissolves and loses it’s cementation and strength, usually in limited areas that are exposed to percolating water (usually rain or snow melt). More modern and common block foundations and poured foundations crack, because they are more “unitized” and brittle. As a stone foundation differentially settles, the overlying brick walls and/or interior plaster may crack.
So if your foundation is stone, you should seek out a firm that has experience dealing with this generally less common type of foundation. My sense is that nearly all stone foundations settle like this, at least to some extent, because the mortar inevitably weakens due to moisture. So don’t despair; the problem you face is not uncommon. OTOH, when a block or poured foundation cracks, it may imply a more serious defect or problem.
The first step to fixing a stone foundation with settlement problems is to clean out loose mortar on the interior side of the subsurface walls, in the basement. Then replace this lost mortar with new cement. This is called “parging”. Firms like Ohio Masonry and other less prominent masonry outfits commonly tackle this kind of work.
Would they be any happier with a WalMart instead? ;)
I wonder what the working-class folks who live in the neighborhood think of the large influx in manufacturing and distribution-center jobs?
Well, despite some of WalMart’s well-known drawbacks, I’m pretty sure locals would much prefer a WalMart because it would offer more jobs that they would qualify for and, more importantly, it would be a major retail outlet for the neighborhood. Milo-Grogan has almost no retail, except for a carryout east of I-71 on the north side 5th Ave., and a few gas stations and chicken outlets. Additionally, a WalMart would draw traffic into Milo from shoppers coming from the Short North, downtown, campus and elsewhere. That traffic would be a positive for the neighborhood, because it would expose more people to the area and open opportunities for even more retail and would also likely increase demand for housing.
Rogue really doesn’t offer any of the above positives *locally*, besides some jobs. I really don’t know how many jobs Rogue will create, because there’s been basically no information made public about this development.
This not to say Rogue is not a positive, just not as close to being as optimal as say some mixed-use alternatives, or even a WalMart could be. However, one has to recognize that this site was originally (or last used as) industrial, so it’s going back to what it was before… unlike the Jeffery Site, for example. This is because lots of people want to live in Italian Village…but apparently not Milo. Or perhaps the City doesn’t want to wait for that residential/mixed use demand to arrive.
Looks like an industrial fortress to me.
I was hoping that wouldn’t be the case. From what I gather, the Milo Arts people are not thrilled with what’s being built across Cleveland Ave from them.
I picked-up a pizza using the new drive-thru window on Sunday evening. It’s very similar to the old one. It’s a little tough to get your car real close to the window, partly because there’s some construction fence along the approach, but overall it works just fine.
I also had lunch inside the new space on Saturday afternoon. Mr. Krouse happened to be there, so I had a chance to chat with him briefly. The new interior is really nice. They will be expanding it once construction on the south part of the lot is complete.
I see that work on the Rogue facility on the old Timkin site is now well underway. There are two large black “Rogue” construction trailers parked at the corner of E5th & Cleveland Ave. They look pretty cool! The site is humming with earth-movers and there’s a lot materials for sewer infrastructure lying around and being installed. Also, city work to improve segments of both 5th & Cleveland Aves are nearing completion.
Has anyone seen a rendering of or plans for what Rogue is building here? It would be great if it included some kind of on-site fitness/cross-training facility that people could visit! But maybe that wouldn’t work at an industrial/warehouse site? Anyway, size-wise this resembles a mini-Grandview Yard project.
Walker, if possible please check into what’s being planned & built here and perhaps add it to your list of construction projects you periodically so nicely photo document. Wagonbrenner may have useful info. Thanks!
I’m really looking forward to my first visit here. I heard they had live music yesterday!
I’m very very concerned that we’ll see many crashes with a cyclist getting seriously injured or worse. I hope I’m wrong.
Well around 5:30PM this evening, as I was walking southward along N4th Street from E5th to 3rd Aves, I watched a large backhoe trying to cross N4th eastward along Greenwood in an area where they appeared to be doing utility work. The backhoe was having a hard time getting across 4th and ended up getting T-boned by a car. There was a loud crash and car’s front end was pretty much destroyed. Luckily no bicycles were involved and neither the back hoe operator nor the motorist seemed injured. Hmmm…
Lanes were only removed between 11th and Hudson, not to the south.
Good point, but the segments of 4th & Summit from I670 to 5th Ave sure seem different than before. Traffic is different too… more backed up.
Crossing 4th via E-W cross streets (e.g. 3rd Ave, Detroit, etc.) probably isn’t impacting many people now, but when Budd Dairy and other developments east of 4th come on line, it will inconvenience a lot more people.
But I’m probably stuck in the past and just need to get used to the new lane lines.
One detrimental impact of these new bike lanes that I’ve noticed, at least along N4th St during rush hour: Because there are now just two lanes, cars back up bumper-to-bumper along much or all of the distance between E2nd Ave and E5th Ave. This makes it pretty much impossible to cross N4th street driving either east or west on any of the cross streets along that segment of 4th. There is never a break in the northbound 4th St. traffic. The only way to dependably cross now is at the light at 2nd. That’s going to make 2nd more heavily backed up. I realize prior to the new lanes that traffic also backed up along 4th, but not as much as it does now. You used to be able to use the cross streets.
For over 4 years, I used to bike commute from the southern part of the Short North to an 8-5 office job on Morse Rd riding up N4th every day in the AM, returning along Summit in the PM. Recognizing that I was not riding WITH the heaviest direction of rush hour traffic, I found both 4th & Summit to be pretty manageable to ride along as they were. The riding lanes or margins stayed clean too. There were wider than normal margins along both sides of each street and plenty of room to avoid the traffic driving up along side of me. For streets with heavy traffic, I found Summit & 4th to be the among easiest to ride on.
I haven’t tried the new bike lanes yet so I could be mistaken, but based on visual observation while driving my car, I wonder if things weren’t better the old way. Also, because motorists are not used to this new layout, it seems like cyclists are forced to expose themselves to a lot more uncertainty by riding in a bike lane that’s kind of out in the area where cars used to be. At least until motorists get used to it, that seems more risky to cyclist than the old set up. Maybe over time, this new set up will prove to work better. Maybe the heavier traffic back ups will divert traffic to other arteries, lessening traffic on Summit & 4th. I applaud all efforts to make improvements for cyclists.
Investment-wise, while Milo is indeed speculative, its proximity to the increasingly dense & expensive Short North and the reasonable distances to OSU, Columbus State, CCAD and downtown make it attractive. I agree that the areas west of I-71 are more attractive, as I-71 serves as a partial boundary. Also, the southern areas along and closer to 2nd Ave are probably more attractive than areas further north toward 5th Ave.
It seems like it would take a much, much smaller level of outside interest and investment to improve the SW Milo area than it did to turn Weinland Park. There are far fewer units in Milo than WP and little long-term program Section 8. If this premise is correct, Milo could improve even faster and more abruptly than WP did. The fact that North High Brewing and Middle West Spirits have opened operations there is a positive sign. The Milo Arts Center is also a long term “anchor” in a positive sense. I think Car-to-Go also has a facility near MW Spirits.
The impact that Rogue will have at the Timkin site is hard to predict, because there seems to have been very little detailed info released to the public on that development. Hopefully that facility will be developed so it’s not an industrial fortress that adds nothing to the neighborhood other than traffic and noise. The neighborhood sorely needs some retail businesses along Cleveland Ave that could serve its residents and increase its walkablity.
Over the past decade, I know/have known several people and even a few families living in Milo that have not had problems with crime. Like many inner city neighborhoods, if you are apart from the drug scene and are reasonably careful where you walk at night, you’re much safer than statistics might imply. With that, living in Milo you’re close to many very favorable inner city areas and locations.
BTW, imagine if a shuttle bus (free or w/fare) was set up to run from High Street to St. Clair Ave. along E 2nd Ave. That would solve walkability issues and would raise all of Milo as much more a favorable residential setting. It would also give Milo residents much better access to job opportunities in the Short North and campus areas. Additionally, it would better connect the Short North to the the Cleveland Ave transit conduit now under development.