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  • in reply to: US Economy – News & Updates #398693
    in reply to: COTA Service Changes/Updates/Additions in 2011 #418635

    In 2007 Mayor Colemam commissioned a study on the Northwest quadrant of Columbus.

    On page 33 of the study, it recommends COTA have bus service on Sawmill and 161.

    http://assets.columbus.gov/development/planning/NorthwestAreaPlanDraft.pdf

    Going on 4 years later and still nothing. Does the right hand know what the left is doing ?

    in reply to: COTA Service Changes/Updates/Additions in 2011 #418628

    I imagine it could serve a dual purpose.

    I’ve ridden the 18 many a times, when my car was in the shop and didn’t want to rent wheels. The OSU kids want a bus to Polaris, at least ones I’ve spoken to that go to Tuttle.

    I would imagine the rest of Columbus would as well.

    COTA does on certain routes just stretch beyond the county borders, which describes the Polaris area. After all, wasn’t it Columbus that provided millions in funding for the roads there to begin with ?

    Walker wrote >>

    economic guru wrote >>
    That’s not good enough, drop you off at Polaris at 8 am and the stores don’t open until 10 ? Then you can’t get a ride back down for several hours, you’re kidding me.

    Chucky was talking about a route for work commuters, not shoppers.

    in reply to: COTA Service Changes/Updates/Additions in 2011 #418626

    That’s not good enough, drop you off at Polaris at 8 am and the stores don’t open until 10 ? Then you can’t get a ride back down for several hours, you’re kidding me.

    I’m not looking to go into various subdivisions, just go to the largest shopping venue in the entire state with stops along the way.

    I don’t know, maybe a designate a # 2P for Polaris that runs up High Street to Worthington Galena Rd.

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=worthington+ohio&sll=37.09024,-112.5&sspn=30.682067,89.648438&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Worthington,+Franklin,+Ohio&ll=40.136497,-82.965488&spn=0.028872,0.087547&t=h&z=14

    Walker wrote >>

    chucky wrote >>
    I think it’s way past time COTA start serving the largest shopping mall in the state of Ohio – POLARIS. Thousands of people work up there.

    The Polaris area is already served by the Express Route #29 from Downtown to the Polaris Area (including Chase HQ):
    http://www.cota.com/assets/Riding-Cota/Schedules/Current/029.pdf
    I doubt that’s an adequate route for many people to get to/from work though as many people are spread out over a wide region who work there and Polaris is not a central hub on our hub-and-spoke style system.
    I’m not sure what ridership would be like to make some sort of “Far North Side Commuter” line that tangles through various suburban subdivisions to get people to their Polaris jobs, but I’d love to hear what sort of ideas that others have on what that sort of route should look like.
    Another issue that would definitely need to be addressed is a new form of funding to support bus transit in those suburban communities. We’d ultimately need some sort of regional funding mechanism to service customers outside of Franklin County. But in the shorter term, perhaps bus service on a suburban commuter route could run closer to $4-$5 per ride if the service area is spread further out and requires more miles traveled for fewer passengers being carried.

    in reply to: US Economy – News & Updates #398692

    It’s a day of fun and rioting in Greece

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6BD2FH20101215

    Which country Friday ?

    in reply to: 3C Passenger Rail Project – News & Updates #348303

    Stand corrected the L and the METRA

    I believe I read Indiana did the studies as well as the FRA. The information was on the Indiana application for the high speed rail grant money when they applied for it.

    johnwirtz wrote >>

    economic guru wrote >>
    The underlying assumption is based on fault then. The 3C was not high speed by any stretch of the imagination. What Japan, Europe and the Chinese are doing yes, and it would be a game changer, and then I could see a lot of what was proposed possibly happening.
    Looking over some of the previous threads, I don’t understand why Strickland did not pursue a tristate effort with Indiana and Pennsylvania on the other route. That surely made more sense fiscally and logically. I rarely like to give up my freedom of driving, but if I lived in Cleveland and could travel to Chicago in less than 5 hours, avoid the drive, the expensive toll road charges and outrageous parking fees in Chicago, I would take the train instead. Even with two people traveling, it would still be cheaper and faster than driving. Plus then in Chicago, you have the L at at your disposal to take you anywhere in the metro area.

    I would love to see a route like this in addition to the 3C. Without doing any studies to prove it, it does seem like it would generate more ridership than the 3C though.
    One minor correction: The “L” does not go “anywhere in the metro area.” It barely leaves the City of Chicago (serving adjacent communities of Evanston, Wilmette, Skokie, Oak Park, Forest Park, and Cicero). Metra serves the larger region with pretty good coverage though.

    in reply to: COTA Service Changes/Updates/Additions in 2011 #418623

    This may help some, of what transpired years ago.

    http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5621.0

    bjones7 wrote >>
    This post should be in transit. Does anyone have any stats or maps on COTA Service in 2001 (2001-2007) . I’ve been hearing for a long time of all the “past routes” Yet I don’t remember any of the routes prior to 2007. Can anyone help me out? Past routes? Remember them? Got a map? Thanks!

    in reply to: 3C Passenger Rail Project – News & Updates #348301

    In my opinion, they did it ass backwards.

    The Cleveland to Chicago route has been designated as a corridor for upgraded service for years.

    http://www.fra.dot.gov/rpd/passenger/648.shtml

    You improve on your existing service, bring out the best option first. 2 milion riders on the Pittsburgh to Chicago service is nothing to sneeze at. Even if they were off by as much as 50%, 1 million riders, the route probably would have broke even.

    dru wrote >>

    economic guru wrote
    Looking over some of the previous threads, I don’t understand why Strickland did not pursue a tristate effort with Indiana and Pennsylvania on the other route. That surely made more sense fiscally and logically. I rarely like to give up my freedom of driving, but if I lived in Cleveland and could travel to Chicago in less than 5 hours, avoid the drive, the expensive toll road charges and outrageous parking fees in Chicago, I would take the train instead. Even with two people traveling, it would still be cheaper and faster than driving. Plus then in Chicago, you have the L at at your disposal to take you anywhere in the metro area.
    I find it ironic, that in Stricklands farewell address yesterday he laments the demise of the 3C and says how it would have helped neighboring states – HUH ?
    The Pittsburgh to Chicago service would have helped PA, OH, IN, MI, IL.

    My guess, and it is only that:
    1. Plans for the 3C connector have been on the books for years across multiple administrations. So it was ready to be presented when funds were being disbursed at the federal level.
    2. The IN/PA connector would have primarily benefited Columbus (and perhaps Dayton). It would have left out the other two Cs. Cleveland and Cinci already have service, and I surmise it would have been more politically difficult to make a statewide case for something that would have primarily benefited the Capital City.
    As the Ohio Hub report (cited multiple times) alludes, the 3C was envisioned as the first step of a network of lines that would have eventually connected into Pittsburgh and other areas. Now there is not even a first step for Columbus, there is nothing.

    in reply to: 3C Passenger Rail Project – News & Updates #348299

    The underlying assumption is based on fault then. The 3C was not high speed by any stretch of the imagination. What Japan, Europe and the Chinese are doing yes, and it would be a game changer, and then I could see a lot of what was proposed possibly happening.

    Looking over some of the previous threads, I don’t understand why Strickland did not pursue a tristate effort with Indiana and Pennsylvania on the other route. That surely made more sense fiscally and logically. I rarely like to give up my freedom of driving, but if I lived in Cleveland and could travel to Chicago in less than 5 hours, avoid the drive, the expensive toll road charges and outrageous parking fees in Chicago, I would take the train instead. Even with two people traveling, it would still be cheaper and faster than driving. Plus then in Chicago, you have the L at at your disposal to take you anywhere in the metro area.

    I find it ironic, that in Stricklands farewell address yesterday he laments the demise of the 3C and says how it would have helped neighboring states – HUH ?

    The Pittsburgh to Chicago service would have helped PA, OH, IN, MI, IL.

    CooperGuy wrote >>
    I suppose that no matter how they crunch the numbers, the most important half paragraph of the Ohio Hub Economic Impact Study follows:
    IV. EMPLOYMENT, INCOME AND REAL ESTATE IMPACTS OF THE OHIO HUB
    D. Overall Observations Based on the Data
    The long-term economic development benefits of the Ohio Hub do not appear to represent unreasonable projections for growth in any of the four communities extracted as examples for analysis in the report, above. Of course, all of the projections are based on the underlying assumption that the market will accept and embrace high-speed, intercity rail service as a more efficient means of transportation than any of the variety of existing means of travel.
    (!)

    in reply to: 3C Passenger Rail Project – News & Updates #348296

    I don’t believe it, it’s crock of crap.

    Never happened anywhere else with any AMTRAK stop that has 6 – 8 trains a day.

    johnwirtz wrote >>

    economic guru wrote >>
    You refuse to answer as you can’t. So try and slap me down.
    ONCE AGAIN WHERE WERE THE THOUSANDS GOING TO COME FROM ?

    Mercurius already posted the study that shows how they came up with the 16,700 number for the entire Ohio Hub:
    http://facweb.knowlton.ohio-state.edu/pviton/courses2/crp763/ohio-hub/ohio_economic_analysis.pdf
    I can only assume that you either haven’t read it, didn’t understand it, or disagree with the methodology.

    in reply to: 3C Passenger Rail Project – News & Updates #348295

    3 bedrooms within a 15 minute walk of campus

    http://www.rentals.com/Michigan/Ann-Arbor/r1152299/

    For 40 K a year in rent, maybe some U of M students do rent homes here.

    http://bhcconline.com/

    in reply to: 3C Passenger Rail Project – News & Updates #348294

    And the idiots pricing their properties above 2K never rent them.

    GCrites80s wrote >>

    $ 40,000 to rent a house in Ann Arbor – LOL
    http://annarbor.craigslist.org/apa/2114357428.html
    The places are nicer and cheaper than the slum house on OSU’s campus. Ann Arbor has a very strict zoning enforcement for rental properties. Most of the shacks on OSU would have been comdemned long ago.

    Next listings, in order
    $4300 / 6br – 6 bedroom on Oakland/Arbor – (821 Oakland #1) img
    $960 / 2br – UM campus, Historical, Great location, Free heat/water/prkg – (Ann Arbor) pic
    $4200 / 6br – 6 Bedrooms, 3 Baths, 2 Kitchens and Much More… – (411 S. Fifth Avenue, Ann Arbor, MI) pic
    $810 / 1br – Unique historical, Bright & Spacious, free water/heat/prkg – (Ann Arbor, MI) pic
    $3950 / 6br – 6 Bedroom House Close to Campus – (407 S. Fifth Ave, Ann Arbor, MI) pic
    $3500 / 5br – 5 Bedroom Apartment Close to Campus – (411 S. Fifth Ave, Ann Arbor, MI 48104) pic
    $995 / 2br – UM campus,Great apts/location/view, Free water/heat/parkg, Amenities – (Ann Arbor) pic
    $705 / 1br – The Best in Student Living – (Ann Arbor – North Campus) pic
    $2495 / 4br – Spacious 4 Bedroom Home In Kerrytown – (715 Kingsley) pic
    $1190 / 2br – PARK LIKE SETTING WEST SIDE – (ANN ARBOR) pic
    $1509 / 3br – TWO STORY TOWNHOMES WITH FULL BASEMENT, WASHER & DRYER – (WOODBURY GARDENS APARTMENTS & TOWNHOMES) img
    $1005 / 2br – 2 Full Bath… All Appliances Included. – (Signature Club) pic

    in reply to: US Economy – News & Updates #398691

    The German system is smart. Shared sacrifice, everyone hurts just a tad.

    Canada the envy of the Worlds Economies, what recession ?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/21/business/main6602637.shtml

    Canada took it on the chin heavily when the US housing industry tanked as the need for lumber products vanished. Rebounded quickly though.

    Bail outs – never happened.

    GW_Justice wrote >>
    Why German Economy Is Recovering Faster Than US
    Huh. If you don’t throw your workers into the streets in every downturn, you keep the money flowing and bounce back faster.
    There is a philosophic question about Germany, does a country have to bear the full blowback from bad ideas to learn to avoid them? Hyperinflation in the 1930s followed by near destruction of the country in WW2 seems to have made them a little smarter. Is that what it takes to learn as a nation?

    in reply to: 3C Passenger Rail Project – News & Updates #348291

    Increased traffic at Hopkins ?

    Why would someone take a train to the Puritan RTA station in Cleveland from Columbus, then have to switch to an RTA train to get to the Airport in Cleveland ? Some one would spend hours going to Cleveland to catch a flight ?

    This notion is preposterous and laughable at best.

    What happened to the airport in Columbus ? People are going to quit using it and ride 2 trains to get to Cleveland now ?

    Who dreams this stuff up ? Where do they get their weed ?

    thepiece wrote >>
    economic guru wrote href=”https://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/3c-rail-project-in-trouble/page/48#post-345252″> >>
    It can’t be found.
    ODOT’s own 3C is me page claims the 400 million dollars for the 3C would create 8,000 jobs. Again doing what ?
    http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Rail/Programs/passenger/3CisME/Pages/default.aspx
    Then the next politician doubles it to 16K, do I hear 30K. Yes 30,000 jobs created – Hurrah !!

    Just decided to pull this (thanks for noting its the Ohio hub assessment core models).
    The following is the executive summary of the economic impact assessment.
    The full study, is available here. (scroll down to the economic impact study).
    It looks fairly standard in respect to most economic impact studies I have read or worked on.
    Note, that not all of the job estimates are related to development near stations, as I alluded to in my earlier post. They range from employment generated due to a number of impacts of the Ohio hub development (increasing tourism counts, increased traffic at Hopkins airport due to improved accessibility, etc. etc.).

    in reply to: 3C Passenger Rail Project – News & Updates #348290

    $ 40,000 to rent a house in Ann Arbor – LOL

    http://annarbor.craigslist.org/apa/2114357428.html

    The places are nicer and cheaper than the slum house on OSU’s campus. Ann Arbor has a very strict zoning enforcement for rental properties. Most of the shacks on OSU would have been comdemned long ago.

    GCrites80s wrote >>

    economic guru wrote >>
    If Ann Arbor is elswhere, nothing has happened for 40 years.
    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Ann+Arbor,+MI&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=30.682067,56.162109&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Ann+Arbor,+Washtenaw,+Michigan&ll=42.28812,-83.743801&spn=0.001746,0.003428&t=h&z=18
    Where is all the housing, shopping, services… In Michigan as depressed as the state is Ann Arbor has the highest housing values. A place to put condos near the railroad tracks would be a sure thing, eh.
    If the main theme was this was to be big job creator, it has no merit whatsover.

    Most of Ann Arbor’s economy centers around the University of Michigan. Train stations lead to denser development with the station itself as a focal point. Ann Arbor’s focal point is the university itself. As a pure “college town” the city itself already has walkable/bikeable/transit-friendly design in place, so the train station doesn’t need to function as the walkable oasis in a sea of auto-dependency that it would in other places.
    Property values in Ann Arbor aren’t driven by permanent residents, but rather college kids that pay hefty rents for shared living arrangements. It’s not unusual for a group students to pay over $40,000 a year to rent one house. Expensive condos spring up near train stations when permanent residents with full-time employment are able to purchase them in order to use the rails to get around a city rather than being chained to a steering wheel. Ann Arbor already has the situation covered, essentially.

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