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  • in reply to: Columbus Bike Lanes — News, Updates & Discussion #1061389

    c_odden
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    Great, great news! So glad the byproduct of this requires removing car travel lanes. Hopefully, they’ll look at reducing the speed limits as well, but I suspect there will be some natural reductions that occur with the reduced space.

    There’s a whiff that Summit/4th traffic lights are under review, and that the general trend will be toward removing them. ODOT has authority to change speed limits, rather than the city, but the city has jurisdiction over built-environment features to stop and/or calm traffic. Removing lights will contribute to the dragstrip character of those streets, esp in the neighborhoods east/north of OSU.

    Also confusing why two-way bike lanes are proposed: http://www.copenhagenize.com/2014/06/explaining-bi-directional-cycle-track.html.

    in reply to: Quick survey for OSU students? #1045401

    c_odden
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    Since these spammers are using OSU Fisher College of Business’ Qualtrics license, consider sending a complaint to [email protected] including the survey link and the link to the thread where they posted.

    in reply to: Historic Everett Middle School in CCS to be authorized to be sold #1035363

    c_odden
    Participant

    I’m sad the area’s losing yet another school. This follows the loss of Indianola Elementary, Indianola Middle, Medary Elementary, and the Clinton Annex. The lack of schools in the university area has made it tough to convince folks to raise their kids here, and there are a lot of exits to other neighborhoods when kids reach age 4-5. Given how Indianola Middle’s being allowed to decay, changing owners presents a shot, at least, at restoration (the “donut” building and the chunk that projects north out of it are pretty fab inside and out).

    in reply to: Israel Palestine Conflict #1033900

    c_odden
    Participant
    in reply to: Israel Palestine Conflict #1032480

    c_odden
    Participant

    You know, just read the whole interview. Siegman is no fool and headed the AJC (Congress, not Committee) from 78-94. If you’re a committed propaganda consumer, you can then read all the ‘rebuttals’ that smear him as a Self-Hating Jew (TM), etc.

    in reply to: Israel Palestine Conflict #1032479

    c_odden
    Participant

    Henry Siegman says in a recent interview (http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/30/henry_siegman_leading_voice_of_us):

    But what [POTUS] doesn’t add, and what perverts this principle, undermines the principle, is that no country and no people would live the way Gazans have been made to live. And consequently, this moral equation which puts Israel on top as the victim that has to act to prevent its situation from continuing that way, and the Palestinians in Gaza, or Hamas, the organization responsible for Gaza, who are the attackers, our media rarely ever points out that these are people who have a right to live a decent, normal life, too. And they, too, must think, “What can we do to put an end to this?”

    Powerless people get screwed all the time, some worse than others, and in more subtle or more obvious ways. Gazans are screwed in a way that is beyond the pale, in a way that puts on its head the morality of those who have meaningful choices about their destiny. The difficulty, for me, is being smart about putting accountability in the right place; recognizing the psychological and moral humanity of individual persons who are twisted by inhumane circumstances; and ditching explanations that deduce ‘superior virtue of the oppressed’ or ahistorical ‘who shot first’ kinds of explanations.

    Siegman also has a response to the ‘no longer an occupation’ claim:

    That is of course utter nonsense, and for several reasons. First of all, Gaza is controlled completely, like the West Bank, because it is totally surrounded by Israel. Israel could not be imposing the kind of chokehold it has on Gaza if it were not surrounding, if its military were not surrounding Gaza, and not just on the territory, but also on the air, on the sea. No one there can make a move without coming into contact with the Israeli IDF, you know, outside this imprisoned area where Gazans live. So, there’s no one I have encountered, who is involved with international law, who’s ever suggested to me that in international law Gaza is not considered occupied. So that’s sheer nonsense.

    in reply to: Israel Palestine Conflict #1032424

    c_odden
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    Israel pulled out of Gaza. Hamas took over government, immediately launched an offensive resulting in the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier and missile attacks. Israel left Gaza, Hamas attacked. Gee, it’s like they’re living up to their own stated goals.

    Yes. What you describe is exactly what happened. No other historical context. No other history affecting the trajectories these two populations are on. Wow — all that ink wasted by IR scholars, all those UN resolutions, totally missing the simplicity you present in your elegant narrative above.

    Yeah, I believe it, because it’s not as simplistic as you describe. “Hamas took over [sic] government…” — that’s part of the problem with ravaged territory and a terrorized population, isn’t it? Men with guns have an immediate advantage over those who are trying to create stable civil society. Just happens that Israel’s prevailing government hasn’t been supportive of a stable state, either, so this is pretty much what you get.

    Again — easy to conflate Hamas and Palestine because it justifies murderous collective punishment of the latter for actions by the former. Hamas *is* the Palestinian state when it’s useful to connect them for purposes of punishing Palestine for Hamas, and it’s not the state when characterizing Palestine as unable to self-govern.

    And in more recent news, http://commondreams.org/news/2014/07/30/world-stands-disgraced-israel-bombs-another-un-designated-shelter-gaza

    The precise location of the Jabalia Elementary Girls School and the fact that it was housing thousands of internally displaced people was communicated to the Israeli army seventeen times, to ensure its protection; the last being at ten to nine last night, just hours before the fatal shelling.

    It’s not that Palestinians are all innocent victims or that there isn’t bloodthirst on the part of some in Hamas and beyond, and that there are many people who want Israel destroyed; it’s that the gross imbalance of power, or imbalance of aggression in terms of casualties or simply in terms of who gets to oppress whom, gets characterized in ways that trivialize Palestinian deaths, treat any man holding a rock as a “militant” or “terrorist,” and to completely gloss over the miserable historical circumstances in which the current massacre has unfolded. Yet, unless you believe might makes right, power should demand its own restraint.

    in reply to: Israel Palestine Conflict #1032371

    c_odden
    Participant

    How about Israel drops its opposition to a Palestinian state?

    In response to the argument that Hamas makes this difficult/impossible: utter nonsense. You want a strong state in situations like this — a strong (non-despotic…) state is the antidote to this kind of extremism. Hamas is good for Israeli manifest destiny, because it’s taken as evidence that peaceful solutions are impossible and the only way to go is protracted invasions and bombings — destroying the physical infrastructure (the fact that a power plant supplying Gaza is located in Israel is evidence of Colonialism/apartheid — not that Palestinians couldn’t run their own) — which, in turn, makes it hard to establish a viable state, preserves a niche for Hamas, and provides further proof to the already-convinced that occupation is the only way to go.

    Also, for the confused: Hamas != Palestine, just as Jews != Israel. Except where Israel is declared a Jewish state. Antisemites conflate the two all the time, just as anti-Palestinians / anti-Muslims / anti-Arabs do. People will respond that they understand the distinction, yet somehow conflation just sorta slips in whenever it’s rhetorically convenient.

    in reply to: Israel Palestine Conflict #1031283

    c_odden
    Participant

    These kids must have all been Farfur the Martyr Mouse lovers, so it’s all good, right? Of course, they were just bombed to death, which is far less ‘barbaric’ than throat slitting or throwing rocks or any of the other methods used by those without access to $1.8B-$3B/annum of US military aid.

    in reply to: Israel Palestine Conflict #1031282

    c_odden
    Participant

    I’ve been sick of the trouble in the middle east since 1990. Our foreign policy should be to recognize Palestine as a legitimate state and tell Israel to fuck off. Benjamin Netanyahu said he regrets the deaths in Gaza of women and children due to Israeli shelling (now totally over 600) but that it’s the fault of Hamas. What the fuck.

    Obviously you’re a raging Anti-Semite. Consider the Anti-Defamation League notified.

    In other news, this and this. I’m sure that looks quite one-sided of me, but we seem to have the “There has always been a Jewish state” and “cave dwelling terrorists” perspective pretty well covered, the former’s utter nontruthiness notwithstanding. Also, the New Godwin’s Law holds true: instead of making a Hitler reference, implying that failure to support Israel’s treatment of the Occupied Palestinian Territory means “… you just hate Jews or something.”

    To quote+paraphrase Honestreporting.org, Israel-Palestine debate usually devolves/reveals a set of a priori judgments:

    Israeli side:
    1. If you criticize Israel in any way you’re anti-Semitic
    2. Israel is just better and this land belongs to the Jews
    3. Israel is a democracy and lgbt (lesbian, gay, bi-sexual, transsexual) people have rights there – as if this excuses the horrible things they’ve done

    Palestinian side:
    1. The Zionist lobby controls the US government.
    2. Israelis are Nazis and practice Apartheid and ethnic cleansing
    3. Jews are horrible and start all the wars and should go back to Poland

    And both sides will call each other terrorists.

    in reply to: Israel Palestine Conflict #1031148

    c_odden
    Participant

    Here’s one of their kids shows:

    <span class=”embed-youtube” style=”text-align:center; display: block;”>[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Q8K5TmivM?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&wmode=transparent&w=620&h=379%5D</span&gt;

    Holy Cats check your sources: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker

    I just sent this to an Arabic-speaking family scholar at the Hague who said this is a ridiculous mistranslation.

    I’ll spare you other sources on MEMRI, as I’m confident you’re concerned enough about truth/accuracy to look a little further than the first “Hamas/Palestine are a bunch of Jew haters” propaganda.

    in reply to: Change how Columbus perceives music #1030832

    c_odden
    Participant

    There’s an interview with Ian Svenonius from a year or so back, wherein the interviewer says:
    “I can remember Steve Gamboa finding a MC5 album at a thrift store in Maryland and it being this huge local, cultural event (I might be exaggerating it in my mind) whereas the current generation of people in bands have instant access to practically anything in music history – is this lack of mystery good or bad?”

    Ian replies:
    “I always think the sophistication which everyone has now is such a privilege but it also is oppressive. The Rolling Stones only had like three records when they started; they had rules, limits, ignorance. The internet simultaneously made all music accessible while taking away the necessity of listening to any of it.”

    Pop music doesn’t stifle innovation. Political oppression sure doesn’t. Kickstarter just might.

    in reply to: Need To Get Rid Of Cardboard #1030027

    c_odden
    Participant

    Good question. I don’t know the state of the art on styrofoam recycling. If it’s irregularly-shaped packing materials, I don’t think the reuse opportunities are that great. If it’s essentially trash, it’s approx 0.006 pounds per cubic inch, or about .85 lb/cuft, which means you could dump a cubic yard of foam (less than 24lbs) for less than thirty cents at the SWACO landfill.

    If you’re dealing with big rectangles, Habitat ReStore (Westerville Rd or Wilson Rd) might be a recipient. That’s a big Maybe, except that those folks seem happy enough to take all sorts of stuff and charge forty dollars for it. If you have an older home, foam rectangles cut to joist cavity width with a can of spray foam to seal the edges is more effective than the traditional wad of fiberglass, which does nothing for air sealing. But I digress.

    in reply to: 1st Annual Celebration of Normals #1029832

    c_odden
    Participant

    a ham-fisted joke

    Well, a fist full of ham is what these guys are trying to prevent. Because it’s against God.
    Plus, ham-fisting jokes are in poor taste.

    in reply to: Need To Get Rid Of Cardboard #1029600

    c_odden
    Participant

    It depends on how much you’re talking about, but:

    If it’s recyclable (dry and clean and not totally covered in tape): http://www.simsbros.com/sims-brothers-recycling-locations.html

    If it’s not recyclable (because it’s wet, soiled, whatever), http://www.swaco.org/wastehaulers/facilities/landfill.aspx . $42/ton, and if you’re time’s worth much this is likely cheaper than the time required to figure out alternatives or risk being fined for dumping it illegally (not saying you would! rather, $42/ton is so cheap that it really throws into focus the absurdity of small-scale illegal dumping).

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