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  • #81535
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Neighbors see casino driving up land value

    Thursday, May 6, 2010

    BY JIM WEIKER

    THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

    A casino isn’t supposed to open on the West Side until 2012, but the gambling has already begun.

    Property speculation, which started with the January proposal to move the casino to the site of a former auto-parts factory, took on new immediacy after Tuesday’s vote approving the move.

    “Our property value just doubled,” said Stephen Yee, owner of Ding Ho restaurant on Phillipi Road just north of the casino site.

    READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/05/06/neighbors-see-casino-driving-up-land-value.html

    #368262

    kcrissinger
    Member

    It is good to see positive things happening already. This may just turn out to be the thing that brings back the area. I’m excited to see what great new dining options may be presented.

    #368263

    Twixlen
    Participant

    I admit I’m thinking of the overall complex it could be there, at that intersection of G-ville + West Broad, down to the 270 ramps.

    Some restaurants, decent retail…. maybe even a real grocery store?? KROGER? ARE YOU LISTENING? That store @ the Soldano plaza is crap.

    #368264
    jarsloth
    jarsloth
    Participant

    Walker wrote >>
    Neighbors see casino driving up land value
    Thursday, May 6, 2010
    BY JIM WEIKER
    THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
    A casino isn’t supposed to open on the West Side until 2012, but the gambling has already begun.
    Property speculation, which started with the January proposal to move the casino to the site of a former auto-parts factory, took on new immediacy after Tuesday’s vote approving the move.
    “Our property value just doubled,” said Stephen Yee, owner of Ding Ho restaurant on Phillipi Road just north of the casino site.
    READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/05/06/neighbors-see-casino-driving-up-land-value.html

    Ah… the Ding Ho…

    #368265

    kcrissinger
    Member

    Twixlen wrote >>
    I admit I’m thinking of the overall complex it could be there, at that intersection of G-ville + West Broad, down to the 270 ramps.
    Some restaurants, decent retail…. maybe even a real grocery store?? KROGER? ARE YOU LISTENING? That store @ the Soldano plaza is crap.

    LOL. Maybe we can bury Kroghetto West soon.

    I’m trying to envision the same type of district there on Broad/Georgesville. I’ll bet George is glad he moved from his original location now. What do you think will happen with the old Lincoln Lanes?

    #368266
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Personally, I’m concerned that whatever new development we see occurring won’t be long-term development. I think Swampkitty has made this point in some other threads about the Casino, but essentially, what we might be looking at is a short-term shot in the arm for these strip malls and retail centers along Broad. The suburban retail configuration along Broad out there needs a major overhaul if we expect something a little more long-term. Otherwise, in 15 years we might be right back where we started.

    #368267

    Twixlen
    Participant

    Walker wrote >>
    Personally, I’m concerned that whatever new development we see occurring won’t be long-term development. I think Swampkitty has made this point in some other threads about the Casino, but essentially, what we might be looking at is a short-term shot in the arm for these strip malls and retail centers along Broad. The suburban retail configuration along Broad out there needs a major overhaul if we expect something a little more long-term. Otherwise, in 15 years we might be right back where we started.

    This is pretty much where I am as well. It isn’t enough to rehab – places like Lincoln Village need to be torn down, and even some of the buildings along Broad could be torn down to make room for more sensible retail spaces (in relation to parking and enter/exit onto Broad). For instance – the location of the Deals and Steals/Ohio Thrift building across the road from Westland would make a great location for a decent hotel.

    There is a pretty high poplation density within 2 miles of that corner – it’s time for there to be something (besides a casino) that gets those folks back into their own neighborhood, spending money.

    #368268

    cc
    Member

    It would be great if COTA set up some shuttles from downtown/convention center/ Short North to Casino. Maybe eventually a street car down Broad.

    #368269
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    cc wrote >>
    It would be great if COTA set up some shuttles from downtown/convention center/ Short North to Casino. Maybe eventually a street car down Broad.

    A Streetcar works best for shorter lines. Running over 6 miles from the CC down Broad Street might not be a good Streetcar route.

    Personally, I think it would make more sense to run a commuter rail line along the existing tracks from the Airport to the Convention Center to the West Side (tracks cross near Wilson & Broad and run behind the Delphi site).

    Penn said that they were willing to pony up a few hundred million for new highway off ramps at the Arena District site. Perhaps they can pony up some money to help connect their site to the rest of the city via rail?

    #368270

    kcrissinger
    Member

    Twixlen wrote >>

    Walker wrote >>
    Personally, I’m concerned that whatever new development we see occurring won’t be long-term development. I think Swampkitty has made this point in some other threads about the Casino, but essentially, what we might be looking at is a short-term shot in the arm for these strip malls and retail centers along Broad. The suburban retail configuration along Broad out there needs a major overhaul if we expect something a little more long-term. Otherwise, in 15 years we might be right back where we started.

    This is pretty much where I am as well. It isn’t enough to rehab – places like Lincoln Village need to be torn down, and even some of the buildings along Broad could be torn down to make room for more sensible retail spaces (in relation to parking and enter/exit onto Broad). For instance – the location of the Deals and Steals/Ohio Thrift building across the road from Westland would make a great location for a decent hotel.
    There is a pretty high poplation density within 2 miles of that corner – it’s time for there to be something (besides a casino) that gets those folks back into their own neighborhood, spending money.

    Twix, did you mean Lincoln Park West? Lincoln Village is a pretty large neighborhood to tear down…

    I agree with both of you that some sensible things need to be developed here along side of the casino things. Hopefully, that will happen. As Twixlen said before, we need a good grocery store. We also need decent places to eat and decent places to shop besides Target and Kohls. Hmmmm, maybe if I’m lucky, the offices for Ohio Nativescapes could end up there…..

    #368271
    jarsloth
    jarsloth
    Participant

    kcrissinger wrote >>

    Twixlen wrote >>

    Walker wrote >>
    Personally, I’m concerned that whatever new development we see occurring won’t be long-term development. I think Swampkitty has made this point in some other threads about the Casino, but essentially, what we might be looking at is a short-term shot in the arm for these strip malls and retail centers along Broad. The suburban retail configuration along Broad out there needs a major overhaul if we expect something a little more long-term. Otherwise, in 15 years we might be right back where we started.

    This is pretty much where I am as well. It isn’t enough to rehab – places like Lincoln Village need to be torn down, and even some of the buildings along Broad could be torn down to make room for more sensible retail spaces (in relation to parking and enter/exit onto Broad). For instance – the location of the Deals and Steals/Ohio Thrift building across the road from Westland would make a great location for a decent hotel.
    There is a pretty high poplation density within 2 miles of that corner – it’s time for there to be something (besides a casino) that gets those folks back into their own neighborhood, spending money.

    Twix, did you mean Lincoln Park West? Lincoln Village is a pretty large neighborhood to tear down…
    I agree with both of you that some sensible things need to be developed here along side of the casino things. Hopefully, that will happen. As Twixlen said before, we need a good grocery store. We also need decent places to eat and decent places to shop besides Target and Kohls. Hmmmm, maybe if I’m lucky, the offices for Ohio Nativescapes could end up there…..

    I think she was referring to (and correct me if I’m wrong) the shopping center located right in front of Lincoln Village, where the JoAnn’s is. Lincoln Village is where I live and I’d hate to have them tear it down, especially after just putting in a new bathroom :)

    #368272

    Twixlen
    Participant

    Naw naw naw… I’m thinking of Wingate Villages… I always want to call it Lincoln Village, because I know the side street is Lincoln Ct, and because I’m an idiot. Sorry for the confusing… I’m talking about those complexes right behind Westland off G-ville – Wingate is all but abandoned and it’s all so rough and not kept up at all.

    #368273

    Talcott
    Member

    Walker wrote >>
    A Streetcar works best for shorter lines. Running over 6 miles from the CC down Broad Street might not be a good Streetcar route.
    Personally, I think it would make more sense to run a commuter rail line along the existing tracks from the Airport to the Convention Center to the West Side (tracks cross near Wilson & Broad and run behind the Delphi site).
    Penn said that they were willing to pony up a few hundred million for new highway off ramps at the Arena District site. Perhaps they can pony up some money to help connect their site to the rest of the city via rail?

    Yes, please!

    I can’t think of any single thing that would help Columbus (including the West side) as much as a reliable form of transportation on that route. We desperately need a non-taxi/car way to get to and from the airport (the bus route is not one of COTA’s strongest), and I think that a commuter line heading West would open up a lot more development than anything running up or down High St would (which isn’t to say that I wouldn’t love a street car someday).

    Even if Penn National wasn’t willing to chip in, I wonder if this would be a more viable route to propose for a starter line. It seems like this is a route that would link a more diverse and underserviced stretch of the city than High St. does, but would also have direct advantages for the big players downtown and in the Arena District.

    Or has this been proposed and shot down in the past?

    #368274

    zenmom
    Member

    I agree with Walker’s concerns. I think the goal of the casino is going to keep people on their property. I think they are going to look at building or partnering with restaurants and hotels on their site. I’m not convinced it will support other restaurants, hotels, theaters, etc. in the area.

    #368275

    Tigertree
    Member

    I say this with extreme caution as I have made my stance known on the casino move. That said I think good can be made out of every situation so I will say that, if our community (and that part needs to be stressed because Penn isn’t going to do it) gets together, there will be an influx of new money to the area as well as jobs, and we can channel that into something. Everything from the floor layout down to the parking garage in a casino is designed to keep you there as long as possible. So not much hope for overflow to surrounding businesses for casino patrons, but if the current retail and dining mix is to support x employed persons in the area and that x factor jumps significantly there is some hope. Now is the time to start getting together to get the overlay that should be in place extended so we see more than short lived strip mall revitalization.

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