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National Trend: Americans are Driving Less

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  • #457283
    Snarf
    Snarf
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    This…this is what we need more of.

    #457284
    rus
    rus
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    Mercurius said:
    Rus, you really can’t posit why people might prefer other options of transportation to cars?

    In some areas, sure. If you wanted to live in NYC, for instance, the subway system there is decent. Reminded me of the tokyo subway / train system. Lot less hassle in both places than driving. Of course, travel takes more time than just driving, so it’s a trade off. That also seems to require high density living, which is it’s own down side.

    Health… guess I could see biking that way. Workout while you travel and all. Of course, you arrive at your destination reeking if you did it right, so again there’s a down side. Would save on fuel costs, though.

    Still, none of that adds up to being thrilled that there’s less cars, does it? Heck, in tokyo and nyc both there’s oodles of cars… that doesn’t mean either place is lacking in public transport / biking.

    #457285

    GCrites80s
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    Jesus rus, do you even enjoy cars as a hobby? I find it fascinating that people who really love cars such as race car drivers and top mechanics have thought for years that things have gotten too out of control with excessive street and highway driving. They deplore our unskilled drivers, boy racers and know that too much street driving is very dangerous. Yet we have to hear about how awesome it is that so many people are forced to drive everywhere thinking it represents “freedom” from people who don’t even care about or know anything about cars and the automotive hobby. Freedom is being able to drive when you want and not having to drive when you don’t.

    Know why kids don’t care about NASCAR and IndyCar anymore? It’s not boring drivers or too many safety rules or the economy nearly as much as that the automobile has been shoved so far up their ass that they don’t care about it any more. Yet, the rest of the world still goes nuts for F1, rally and MotoGP because cars are still an escape for them.

    #457286
    rus
    rus
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    Snarf said:
    This…this is what we need more of.

    #457287

    Mercurius
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    rus said:
    In some areas, sure. If you wanted to live in NYC, for instance, the subway system there is decent. Reminded me of the tokyo subway / train system. Lot less hassle in both places than driving. Of course, travel takes more time than just driving, so it’s a trade off. That also seems to require high density living, which is it’s own down side.

    Health… guess I could see biking that way. Workout while you travel and all. Of course, you arrive at your destination reeking if you did it right, so again there’s a down side. Would save on fuel costs, though.

    Still, none of that adds up to being thrilled that there’s less cars, does it? Heck, in tokyo and nyc both there’s oodles of cars… that doesn’t mean either place is lacking in public transport / biking.

    What if you wanted to live and work near the urban core of Columbus?

    #457288
    rus
    rus
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    Mercurius said:
    What if you wanted to live and work near the urban core of Columbus?

    If I was stuck in a downtown job where parking was at a premium, COTA might make sense, sure. Depends on how close “live” is to “work”; walking / biking might even be an option.

    How does that relate to being thrilled at less cars?

    #457289

    Mercurius
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    rus said:
    If I was stuck in a downtown job where parking was at a premium, COTA might make sense, sure. Depends on how close “live” is to “work”; walking / biking might even be an option.

    How does that relate to being thrilled at less cars?

    Because it means people are starting to choose those other options.

    #457290
    rus
    rus
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    Mercurius said:
    Because it means people are starting to choose those other options.

    Guess I’m still confused.

    Why would you care what other people do?

    ETA: Guess I could see increased COTA ridership as a good thing if I took COTA… sign that the routes I was on were viable, so likely they’d continue. Might also indicate service would expand, which would benefit me. Less cars = more COTA use might correlate, but might not…

    #457291

    Mercurius
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    rus said:
    Guess I’m still confused.

    Why would you care what other people do?

    ‘Cause we live in a democracy and there are negative externalities related to cars and your health, the environment and a limited pool of money for alternative transportation infrastructure.

    #457292

    Jim Lauwers
    Participant

    yeah but like… why care about anything, man? We’re just going to die eventually anyway

    #457293

    mellotron
    Participant

    rus said:
    Why does less cars = thrilling? / If cars aren’t bad, then why be thrilled at less of them?

    Let me take a stab.
    I don’t think “less cars” is an end in itself. From a personal/micro experience, I can say that when I moved to downtown/short north I brought a car-centric attitude with me, which I eventually found didn’t make a lot of sense. So I made a “less cars” conscious decision because biking/busing/walking made so much more sense to me. It wasn’t anti-car, it was just pro-transportation for what my neighborhood and the places I go and work require.

    If I dare extrapolate the article, the shrinking auto usage might suggest that many people are reaching similar conclusions that I have. Which then leads to more people in my neighborhood. Win! So personally, “less cars” is a surrogate of a trend towards a more urban lifestyle, which is something I personally value – not an end in itself. But “less cars” will continue to be shorthand for this type of trend, just the way our region has been structured up to this point, so it’s an important point to clarify since it will continue coming up.

    Besides personally, I’m a better person on a bike/bus/sidewalk than behind a steering wheel.

    #457294
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    Mercurius said:
    Cause we live in a democracy and there are negative externalities related to cars and your health, the environment and a limited pool of money for alternative transportation infrastructure.

    Oh, so it’s more about environmental concerns… carbon, exhaust particles, etc.?

    In other words, if I’m reading you right, less cars = more popular support for your preferred alternatives?

    #457295
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    mellotron said:
    Let me take a stab.
    I don’t think “less cars” is an end in itself. From a personal/micro experience, I can say that when I moved to downtown/short north I brought a car-centric attitude with me, which I eventually found didn’t make a lot of sense. So I made a “less cars” conscious decision because biking/busing/walking made so much more sense to me. It wasn’t anti-car, it was just pro-transportation for what my neighborhood and the places I go and work require.

    If I dare extrapolate the article, the shrinking auto usage might suggest that many people are reaching similar conclusions that I have. Which then leads to more people in my neighborhood. Win! So personally, “less cars” is a surrogate of a trend towards a more urban lifestyle, which is something I personally value – not an end in itself. But “less cars” will continue to be shorthand for this type of trend, just the way our region has been structured up to this point, so it’s an important point to clarify since it will continue coming up.

    Besides personally, I’m a better person on a bike/bus/sidewalk than behind a steering wheel.

    OK… that makes some sense, sure. I guess I could see more people in your neighborhood as more urbanism and if you like urbanism then greater population density is a requirement.

    Not exactly anti-car, but pro something else.

    #457296
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    rus said:
    Why would you care what other people do?

    Says the guy who takes the time to respond to every single vegan/vegetarian thread. ;)

    #457297

    Mercurius
    Participant

    rus said:
    Oh, so it’s more about environmental concerns… carbon, exhaust particles, etc.?

    In other words, if I’m reading you right, less cars = more popular support for your preferred alternatives?

    It’s not more about environmental concerns, although they aren’t insignificant. It is about less cars equaling more people supporting alternatives.

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