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  • #370698

    RedStorm
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    spfld_expat said:
    The rumor is that the Columbus Crew will be building a new stadium in the arena district, possibly at the old casino site (disclaimer: I read this on the internet – may or may not be true). Although, you’re right, the lead time on that is 5-10 years on the low end.

    To replace a stadium that’s 14 years old? Sounds like this may be 10+ years down the road, if it’s in the plans at all.

    #370699
    spfld_expat
    spfld_expat
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    RedStorm said:
    To replace a stadium that’s 14 years old? Sounds like this may be 10+ years down the road, if it’s in the plans at all.

    ToddAnders lays it out over here:

    Crew Sold To Precourt Sports Ventures, LLC

    I have no first-hand knowledge. I will say, however, that if ever there was a 14 year old stadium to replace, this is it. While cutting-edge at the time, all the new stadiums in MLS make our stadium look laughably rinky-dink by comparison.

    Anyway, the good news is there is hope for the beleaguered former casino site after all.

    #370700

    lattethunder
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    InnerCore said:
    I think we mostly agree. I think where we are different is that I would rather a poorly designed casino downtown over a better designed casino in the suburbs. Location is something you cant correct, design is.

    I actually agree with all that too!

    I did vote agaisnt the casino, but I did not vote for the move. Between a choice of franklin township and downtown, I would have chosen downtown. From a planning standpoint, it makes more sense. Really, I just take issue with the poor design.

    Btw, twixlen, one does not need to go inside the casino to see how poorly designed the outside is.

    Edit: I would have also been MUCH more excited about a Horseshoe casino than a Hollywood. The Lawrenceburg casino is an affront to the senses. Nothing about it seems right (except the dollar signs, apparently).

    #370701

    lattethunder
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    spfld_expat said:
    ToddAnders lays it out over here:

    Crew Sold To Precourt Sports Ventures, LLC

    I have no first-hand knowledge. I will say, however, that if ever there was a 14 year old stadium to replace, this is it. While cutting-edge at the time, all the new stadiums in MLS make our stadium look laughably rinky-dink by comparison.

    Anyway, the good news is there is hope for the beleaguered former casino site after all.

    In this case we could literally have an Arena District.

    #370702

    RedStorm
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    lattethunder said:
    In this case we could literally have an Arena District.

    As opposed to…

    #370703

    Twixlen
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    lattethunder said:
    Ahh, that passive agreesive smugness.

    Hilarious – so you go to the casino a lot then?

    #370704

    Twixlen
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    InnerCore said:
    I don’t know if you are referencing me but I’ve definitely been to and lived in the area. On Eureka to be exact, and still have family living there.

    Now what I find really amusing is how people have such decided opinions about development, city planning, etc. when they don’t have any formal training or education on the issues.

    Now of course everyone is entitled to an opinion. Whether they’ve studied an issue or lived in an area.

    I was referring to actually having gone inside the casino – not just having driven through that part of town.

    And, in my experience, having an education in something in no way makes them an expert. I understand that you have worked in planning/architecture, but I wouldn’t assume that others don’t have as much knowledge about those subjects because that’s not the area where they currently work. This board is truly a mixed bag of folks – and the skill-set is amazingly varied.

    Also, it has been my experience that having education in something and even having worked in a particular field in no way makes that person The End authority on that something – their opinion has more weight in their particular area of expertise, but that’s a small slice of a project as large as the casino, or any development for that matter.

    #370705

    Twixlen
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    lattethunder said:

    Btw, twixlen, one does not need to go inside the casino to see how poorly designed the outside is.

    Ah. Yes, of course. The drive-by expert.

    #370706

    lattethunder
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    Twixlen said:
    I was referring to actually having gone inside the casino – not just having driven through that part of town.

    And, in my experience, having an education in something in no way makes them an expert. I understand that you have worked in planning/architecture, but I wouldn’t assume that others don’t have as much knowledge about those subjects because that’s not the area where they currently work. This board is truly a mixed bag of folks – and the skill-set is amazingly varied.

    Also, it has been my experience that having education in something and even having worked in a particular field in no way makes that person The End authority on that something – their opinion has more weight in their particular area of expertise, but that’s a small slice of a project as large as the casino, or any development for that matter.

    Yep, because everyone knows going inside something is what makes you the end authority of what the outside looks like.

    I know you’re happy your side of town got some development -as you should be, the west side has been neglected for far too long- but that doesn’t mean everyone has to like a giant parking lot on W. Broad.

    #370707

    lattethunder
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    RedStorm said:
    As opposed to…

    A downtown office park with one arena. It was a joke, don’t take it too seriously.

    #370708

    lattethunder
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    Twixlen said:
    Ah. Yes, of course. The drive-by expert.

    I don’t know if you’re just bored,or if you think that’s a logical argument…

    #370709

    InnerCore
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    spfld_expat said:
    The rumor is that the Columbus Crew will be building a new stadium in the arena district, possibly at the old casino site (disclaimer: I read this on the internet – may or may not be true). Although, you’re right, the lead time on that is 5-10 years on the low end.

    And that is part of my issue. By putting the casino downtown we would have be closer to reaching a tipping point where growth would have happened at a faster pace. Will downtown get better over the next decade. Of course. Will we eventually get a better transit system. I think so as well. But the problem is sometimes if your moving along and others are moving faster then you can actually be going backwards. Easton is a great example. We’re still pushing sprawl for the new plans at Easton that will probably have to be corrected decades from now.

    I think the Paul Astleford the former president of Experience Columbus explained it best:

    Our community was somewhat trapped in a non-competitive world where a lot of people were trying to maintain their comfort zones. I remember speaking at a couple of events where people in the audience would get up and say, “Why do you want to do this?” “Why do you want to create these things?” when talking about expansion. They’d say “We like it just the way it is.”

    What I would say to them is, that’s fine, you’re just comfortable. Any community that is mired in a comfort zone of isolationism, is falling behind. There’s no staying level. You have to compete to win, and that is very difficult in today’s global marketplace, and you’d better understand that. Otherwise, you are allowing things to go backwards. It might not be hard on you, but it’s going to be hard on your children. We talked about building the prosperity of the community. You’re going to have to understand what the new global marketplace and the new global world is about. It’s competitive.

    In our industry, we were talking about the expansion of the strategic hotel development. We knew that 90% of the business that we lost had to do with our lack of a hotel package. As a city, we had built a lot of hotels, but the hotels weren’t strategically built around the needs of the customer. They were limited service properties that were built by developers who were trying to make a buck. When we talk about the hospitality industry, it really relies heavily on what is happening with the leadership dimension of our community. At the time, we were very much a [b]silo-driven projects mentality[/b].

    A silo-driven projects mentality was driven by what I’ll call community developers, some are very high-profile, doing good things for the community, but doing a lot of projects that were for profit and legacy motivation. [b]They had nothing to do with a strategic development plan for tomorrow[/b]. The biggest transformation, the thing that has kept me here for thirteen years, was the transformation from this silo-driven projects mentality, to a whole new collaborative visionary strategic mentality for the future. That is going to pay off big for this community from a prosperity-building standpoint, and from quality of life standpoint. We now are looking at our community as part of a global world market. Whereas before, we were in our isolation zone.

    #370710

    Twixlen
    Participant

    lattethunder said:
    I don’t know if you’re just bored,or if you think that’s a logical argument…

    Oh, the irony of you pointing out logic.

    “I’ve driven by airports, and I’ve read about the experience of air travel, so I know all there is to know, without ever buying a ticket!”

    #370711

    lattethunder
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    Twixlen said:
    Oh, the irony of you pointing out logic.

    “I’ve driven by airports, and I’ve read about the experience of air travel, so I know all there is to know, without ever buying a ticket!”

    OK, so you are confused. Because that wasn’t my argument at all.

    #370712

    Twixlen
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    lattethunder said:
    Yep, because everyone knows going inside something is what makes you the end authority of what the outside looks like.

    I know you’re happy your side of town got some development -as you should be, the west side has been neglected for far too long- but that doesn’t mean everyone has to like a giant parking lot on W. Broad.

    Sincerely, what will be interesting is what happens once that parcel at the corner of Broad and Gville finally sells, and is developed. That parcel will have to comply with the new zoning set-backs that are in place, and the ugly casino will barely be visible from W Broad.

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