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  • #370683

    billbix
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    ricospaz said:

    Ghetto? I don’t think so. It’s a desert of abandonment around there. Not enough housing to consider it a ghetto though.

    and Westsiders, I’m not knocking your area. I like the neighborhoods, but that Broad Street area is empty.

    I hate the term ghetto and will not use it. Regardless there is a huge expanse of rundown shitty apartment complexes behind Westland and adjacent to the casino. They aren’t abandoned, just rented to anyone and anybody. That issue probably needs addressed if the area is to improve.

    #370684

    Schoolboy
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    groundrules said:
    can anyone just tell me if the tables are all still like $25 minimum?

    They have been dropped to $15 now which can increase during peak times back up to $25-30.

    #370685

    InnerCore
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    lattethunder said:
    My issue is pretty simple: the design sucks.

    There are tons of apologists on this borad for PN’s shitty design… and none of the excuses make sense. The design sucks because they suck at design, as evidenced by every single other casino they have ever built.

    I guess it would help if you explained specially what you think is shitty about the design. Because I think the point you are missing is that there is no amount of improvement on the design that would have addressed the main problem. Let’s say they designed an awesome outdoor space, built structured parking, had no set backs and the restaurants lined the street opening the casino up to the neighborhood. Even with this great design you’re still going to have the problem that there isn’t much else to do in this area.

    lattethunder said:There are tons of examples of zoning failure, but this isn’t one of them.

    Yes, that’s the point. It’s not a zoning failure because it was built in an area that doesn’t have strict zoning.

    lattethunder said:Also, speaking of Scioto downs doing better in slot profits (heh), Scioto Downs is in far worse of a location. It’s OUTSIDE the outerbelt, not near any other major development, not close to nearly as many residenences, and not on a bus line. It’s not even right of a interstate (as broad street pretty much is off 70).

    So explain that. How much of a factor does location really play?

    That’s just revenue from slots. And I wish people would learn the difference between revenue and profit and stop interchanging them.

    But again the issue isn’t about REVENUE. I could care less if Hollywood Columbus was the highest grossing casino on earth. It’s in the middle of nowhere and therefore I’m not going there, and judging from most of my friends a lot of people feel the same way. As a result you are creating a casino where the main people who are going to go are people who have a high desire to gamble instead of treating it more like another entertainment option.

    Again, imagine if it were downtown. When they have performances and shows there, afterwards you could easily walk out into the rest of the AD and into the SN. After a show at Hollywood you either stay and gamble or go home.

    #370686

    Graybeak
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    InnerCore said:

    Again, imagine if it were downtown. When they have performances and shows there, afterwards you could easily walk out into the rest of the AD and into the SN. After a show at Hollywood you either stay and gamble or go home.

    Now now, that isn’t wholly true. There is that classy strip club across Georgesville Rd. The guy with the Limericks. (The name escapes me at the moment). You can bet you won’t get any adult entertainment like that downtown!

    #370687

    lattethunder
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    InnerCore said:
    I guess it would help if you explained specially what you think is shitty about the design. Because I think the point you are missing is that there is no amount of improvement on the design that would have addressed the main problem. Let’s say they designed an awesome outdoor space, built structured parking, had no set backs and the restaurants lined the street opening the casino up to the neighborhood. Even with this great design you’re still going to have the problem that there isn’t much else to do in this area.

    Yes, that’s the point. It’s not a zoning failure because it was built in an area that doesn’t have strict zoning.

    So explain that. How much of a factor does location really play?

    That’s just revenue from slots. And I wish people would learn the difference between revenue and profit and stop interchanging them.

    But again the issue isn’t about REVENUE. I could care less if Hollywood Columbus was the highest grossing casino on earth. It’s in the middle of nowhere and therefore I’m not going there, and judging from most of my friends a lot of people feel the same way. As a result you are creating a casino where the main people who are going to go are people who have a high desire to gamble instead of treating it more like another entertainment option.

    Again, imagine if it were downtown. When they have performances and shows there, afterwards you could easily walk out into the rest of the AD and into the SN. After a show at Hollywood you either stay and gamble or go home.

    I reread the article and you’re right, it’s slot revenue, not profits, sorry for the oh so egregious oversight.

    That really doesn’t change my point that people are spending more money at Scioto Downs than Hollywood casino, on slots at least.

    I’m pretty sure I’ve explained my issues with the design… and they were the very same issues you acknowldged earlier in this thread. To answer your question though… NO, I would not complain about casino design if it were designed better, even if the surrounding areas weren’t. That area is in desperate need of redevelopment, and a catalyst for better design going forward wouldn’t have been an issue for me at all.

    I mean, it’s not like any other great neighborhood was built in exactly the same style all at once. You have to start somewhere, and this could have been a good place to start with better design and planning. I’m starting to get off topic now… the coulda woulda shoulda arguement has been beat to death.

    HOWEVER, I DO think poor design has played a factor into lower revenues… after all, Easton is in the middle of nowhere too, and it’s our best performing mall. With walkable, human scale development. Imagine that.

    #370688
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
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    I would guess the Scioto Downs competition will drop fairly dramatically in winter months. Should be a nice boon to Hollywood Casino’s bottom line.

    #370689

    InnerCore
    Participant

    ricospaz said:
    However, safety is a huge concern for those that go to casinos. Everyone dreams of hitting that jackpot. Whether valid or not, the nicer the surrounding area a casino is located in, the safer you feel holding onto that dream of hitting it big. The Hollywood casino is in what many people would consider a ghetto. Scioto is in a location where many people would consider the country.

    Ghetto? I don’t think so. It’s a desert of abandonment around there. Not enough housing to consider it a ghetto though.

    and Westsiders, I’m not knocking your area. I like the neighborhoods, but that Broad Street area is empty.

    And the problem is that adding a casino isn’t going to change the area much. We’re having enough trouble building up enough of a critical mass for 24 hour urban walkable environment downtown. Heck the old downtown site will probably sit empty for the next 5 to 10 years and it’s a 10 min walk from the arena.

    Meanwhile the casino was built way out at a site just inside the OUTER BELT. Everyone going to the property is going to be driving in, so obviously when they’re done they are going to drive out. That area isn’t going to be much different a decade from now outside of some upgrades to the strip malls. Anyone who doesn’t live there isn’t going to want to go out to that location to do anything other than gamble.

    I mean think about this logically. Let’s say we finally get our act together and approve some sort of streetcar which would obviously be downtown. Are we going to run a line all the way out this location just to connect the Hollywood casino? Of course not. So why would you design a city where a major attraction like a casino, Arena, entertainment district, etc. couldn’t easily be connected in the future.

    #370690

    Graybeak
    Participant

    Well, it seems the last 20 pages or so of this board are now invalid and moot.

    Revenue up in July at all but one Ohio Gambling Venue

    Revenue was up at five of the six Ohio gaming venues in July, with only Scioto Downs Racetrack & Casino showing a drop from the previous month’s total.

    Hollywood Casino Columbus pulled in $17.5 million in June, a 6 percent increase from June, while the Scioto Downs total of $11.2 million was a 2.5 percent drop from the previous month.

    #370691

    InnerCore
    Participant

    lattethunder said:
    I reread the article and you’re right, it’s slot revenue, not profits, sorry for the oh so egregious oversight.

    That really doesn’t change my point that people are spending more money at Scioto Downs than Hollywood casino, on slots at least.

    Hollywood is bringing in A LOT more revenue than Scioto Downs.

    lattethunder said: That area is in desperate need of redevelopment, and a catalyst for better design going forward wouldn’t have been an issue for me at all.

    This is where we differ. History has show that putting one entertainment venue (Stadium, Casino, etc.) does very little to act as a catalyst in a suburban area. The issue is that because it’s the only draw and because it’s in a suburban location then people essentially drive in and then when done drive out.

    For example here in Miami we just spent millions of dollars building the Marlins arena outside of downtown at a location that isn’t accessible by the metrorail. The even built bars on the main street to try and create a cool little area. It was a complete failure. When people are done watching the games they get into the same cars that drove them there and they drive home. Now will the area eventually develop into a nice neighborhood a decade or two later, sure. But you’re not going to get much of a catalyst from building a large entertainment venue out in the suburbs that people can only access by car.

    lattethunder said:I mean, it’s not like any other great neighborhood was built in exactly the same style all at once. You have to start somewhere, and this could have been a good place to start with better design and planning. I’m starting to get off topic now… the coulda woulda shoulda arguement has been beat to death.

    I don’t disagree with this. Obviously a better design in the neighborhood would have been better for the neighborhood in the long run. But again, most people were to busy trying to make Penn move instead of insuring a good design.

    lattethunder said:HOWEVER, I DO think poor design has played a factor into lower revenues… after all, Easton is in the middle of nowhere too, and it’s our best performing mall. With walkable, human scale development. Imagine that.

    Again I could care less about the revenues of a casino making 20 percent their first year out. I’m more concerned about a well thought out walkabe city with efficient transportation that help to create a livable built environment.

    Don’t get me stated on Easton. They’re in the process of taking Columbus backwards.

    #370692

    lattethunder
    Participant

    InnerCore said:
    Hollywood is bringing in A LOT more revenue than Scioto Downs.

    specifically slot revenue, as mentioned in the June article. not overall revenue, as Scioto Downs doesn’t have tables.

    This is where we differ. History has show that putting one entertainment venue (Stadium, Casino, etc.) does very little to act as a catalyst in a suburban area. The issue is that because it’s the only draw and because it’s in a suburban location then people essentially drive in and then when done drive out.

    I don’t disagree with this at all. I fact, I largely agree with just about everything you said in this thread. I am only saying I would not be mad at a well designed building from a design standpoint, even if it were a poor location point. And, just to be clear, I’d have the SAME issue if this Casino were built like this downtown, as would you, I imagine. Basically, it’s shitty design is an issue independent from it’s location.

    Again I could care less about the revenues of a casino making 20 percent their first year out. I’m more concerned about a well thought out walkabe city with efficient transportation that help to create a livable built environment

    Ditto.

    #370693

    Twixlen
    Participant

    I’m now just in a state of amusement for the people who have such decided opinions about a place they’ve never been to.

    #370694
    spfld_expat
    spfld_expat
    Participant

    InnerCore said:
    We’re having enough trouble building up enough of a critical mass for 24 hour urban walkable environment downtown. Heck the old downtown site will probably sit empty for the next 5 to 10 years and it’s a 10 min walk from the arena.

    The rumor is that the Columbus Crew will be building a new stadium in the arena district, possibly at the old casino site (disclaimer: I read this on the internet – may or may not be true). Although, you’re right, the lead time on that is 5-10 years on the low end.

    #370695

    lattethunder
    Participant

    Twixlen said:
    I’m now just in a state of amusement for the people who have such decided opinions about a place they’ve never been to.

    Ahh, that passive agreesive smugness.

    #370696

    InnerCore
    Participant

    Twixlen said:
    I’m now just in a state of amusement for the people who have such decided opinions about a place they’ve never been to.

    I don’t know if you are referencing me but I’ve definitely been to and lived in the area. On Eureka to be exact, and still have family living there.

    Now what I find really amusing is how people have such decided opinions about development, city planning, etc. when they don’t have any formal training or education on the issues.

    Now of course everyone is entitled to an opinion. Whether they’ve studied an issue or lived in an area.

    #370697

    InnerCore
    Participant

    lattethunder said:
    I don’t disagree with this at all. I fact, I largely agree with just about everything you said in this thread. I am only saying I would not be mad at a well designed building from a design standpoint, even if it were a poor location point. And, just to be clear, I’d have the SAME issue if this Casino were built like this downtown, as would you, I imagine. Basically, it’s shitty design is an issue independent from it’s location.

    I think we mostly agree. I think where we are different is that I would rather a poorly designed casino downtown over a better designed casino in the suburbs. Location is something you cant correct, design is.

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