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  • #370398

    DavidF
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    Gil Ligg said:
    Why would Columbus city officials want a casino downtown? They’re bumbling baffoons, of course they would fumble the ball on this.

    And of course you would say this.

    #370399

    DavidF
    Participant

    InnerCore said:
    No unfortunately your personal conversations aren’t easily accessible over google. But I get your point, out on public forums, on your blogs, etc. you rail against a casino downtown no matter the caliber, but privately you were telling everyone how awesome a well designed casino would be for downtown. Got it.

    You know you make a lot of good points, then you ruin them by acting like a jackass.

    A little less negativity with your insightful comments on development issues would go a long way towards building you more credibility.

    #370400

    InnerCore
    Participant

    byJody said:
    I talked to Walker on it in person. At the time I was one of the voices of the Casino Fee Columbus effort. I tried to get Walker to bitch about the DT casino with me and he wouldn’t. He was being Switzerland, kind of hoping for the best without taking a side. We were at an event at the Social Room and Walker had been part of a panel discussion. Google it!

    The problem is that doesn’t contradict what I’m saying. I don’t know what he (or any other person for that matter), talked about privately, at meetings, etc. But what I do know is that when it came time to voice their opinion about the casino project, there was a lot said about how downtown wasn’t a good site and that it should be moved. But there was nothing, I repeat nothing said about how if it had a better design, it would be good for downtown. That is until now, years later.

    It seems now most people, walker include, now agree that a well designed urban casino would be good for downtown. But yet no one fought to make that happen. There are no news paper articles about how city officials were going to try and for PNG for a better design.

    And that’s why I’m blaming this missed opportunity on leadership. It’s not like people fought for a better design and lost. They simply saw a design they didn’t like and said we don’t want that downtown, take it somewhere else. Most cities have design review boards. If your approval doesn’t pass then you can’t build. You could of course sue but then you’d be tied up for years in courts racking up attorney fees. So if what the design review board is requesting is within reason most people simply comply because it’s the cheapest way to get you’re project built.

    I could see if they submitted plans to zoning for review. The review board made changes and sent the plans back. Then PNG said screw you, were going to build it how we wont and if you don’t let us we’ll take you to court and fight you for years if we have to. Then at that point, they pulled out the stops, had a referendum and forced them to move to the west side.

    Now I get it that Walker isn’t in the business of getting projects approved and probably doesn’t know all the ins and outs. Which is why to him the option was build it downtown or move it somewhere else. But that is why I blame the city leadership. For most of the city officials it wasn’t about the actual design of the building. To them even the best designed building would compete with other downtown business and that’s what they were afraid of. You had Experience Columbus worried about the convention center pushing officials to be against it.

    And now years later you have reports coming out of Cleveland about how their downtown casino is actually increasing the number of hotel stays and people dining downtown.

    #370401

    InnerCore
    Participant

    DavidF said:
    You know you make a lot of good points, then you ruin them by acting like a jackass.

    Funny, that’s what my wife says when we argue. But it’s usually for the opposite reason. In person I just act sarcastically nice. I haven’t really figured out how to translate that on the internet.

    #370402

    joev
    Participant

    Casinos drive people to their locations. They are not in the business of circulating people around a neighborhood. It doesn’t matter where the casino is, it’s not creating a more vibrant community around it. On the West Side, at least it cleaned up a toxic site.

    If you remember the actual mood in Columbus during all those ballot initiatives, we were the only part of the state that still didn’t want a casino on that final round. Casinos are what dying cities jump at to gain tax revenue. They take money out of the local economy, period. Granted, Penn National has been a better community partner than many have expected. But there is no leadership failure here. We didn’t want it, we were forced by the state constitution to get one from Penn National (and only Penn National) and it’s now performing slightly worse that expected.

    #370403

    InnerCore
    Participant

    joev said:
    Casinos drive people to their locations. They are not in the business of circulating people around a neighborhood. It doesn’t matter where the casino is, it’s not creating a more vibrant community around it. On the West Side, at least it cleaned up a toxic site.

    If you remember the actual mood in Columbus during all those ballot initiatives, we were the only part of the state that still didn’t want a casino on that final round. Casinos are what dying cities jump at to gain tax revenue. They take money out of the local economy, period. Granted, Penn National has been a better community partner than many have expected. But there is no leadership failure here. We didn’t want it, we were forced by the state constitution to get one from Penn National (and only Penn National) and it’s now performing slightly worse that expected.

    And it is people with this attitude that completely ignore the facts that helped facilitate the move to the west side with no real change in the design to ensure we get a casino that might take money out of the local economy.

    If casino’s take money out of the local economy then Vegas shouldn’t even exist. Part of creating a good casino that doesn’t suck money out of the local economy is to create one that a lot of visitors come to so that the money lost from locals is offset by visitors coming in staying at local hotels, eating at local restaurants and visiting other local attractions.

    This is a lot easier to do when you create a downtown casino so that people can fly in, gamble and then easily walk around to other dinning, shopping and entertainment options.

    Case in point:
    http://www.downtowncleveland.com/development/horseshoe-casino-cleveland.aspx

    “More than 2.6 million guests have visited Ohio’s first full-service casino, Horseshoe Cleveland, since it opened to the public on May 14.”

    I’m sure downtown Columbus would benefit from another 5 million visitors per year.

    “We are also very encouraged by the surge of customers downtown businesses have served in the past 30 days,” he said. Since opening Glover said the casino has booked more than 4,800 room nights at downtown hotels. Many of those rooms have been awarded to Total Rewards members through Caesars Entertainment player loyalty program via preferred hotel relationships with The Ritz-Carlton, Cleveland, Renaissance Cleveland Hotel and Marriot at Key Center.

    They didn’t build a hotel and instead partnered with local hotels, thereby driving additional business to local hotels. PNG was also willing to not build a hotel.

    Area restaurants have also seen increased foot traffic and heavier reservations, including a dozen upscale eateries who have partnered with the Casino. In the last three weeks of May, hundreds of casino guests dined at the restaurants bringing them a combined $20,000 in additional business. And Cleveland-native Iron Chef Michael Symon tweeted on May 21 to 124,000 followers that his East Fourth Street flagship eatery, Lola, experienced its busiest week in the restaurants 15-year history.

    Same thing for restaurants. They created limited dining options with no fine dining available in the casino. So if a couple comes in and gambles and then wants to go out for a nice dinner they can actually use any credits earned to LEAVE the casino and eat at the local establishments.

    We basically shot our self in the foot. Let’s take someone in the region who want to have a fun weekend gambling. Here in Columbus you have a casino in the middle of nowhere near a failed mall or in Cleveland and Cincinnati you have casino’s downtown with multiple other restaurants, bars, shopping, sports venues, etc. Pretty much the only people who are going to choose to go to our casino are people within driving distance. You’re talking about people with limited resources, who’s main desire is to gamble, which are probably the ones you don’t want gambling. You want the casual gamblers just going out to have a good time.

    #370404
    Snarf
    Snarf
    Participant

    I’d rather see a half dozen hooka bars and plasma centers in the arena district than a big trashy casino.

    #370405

    buckette13
    Member

    The last couple of times I have been to the Arena District on a weekend evening, trashy comes to mind.

    #370406

    InnerCore
    Participant

    Snarf said:
    I’d rather see a half dozen hooka bars and plasma centers in the arena district than a big trashy casino.

    Wait so these are trashy, take the word casino off the front and they’re as good as anything we already have downtown:

    #370407
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
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    buckette13 said:
    The last couple of times I have been to the Arena District on a weekend evening, trashy comes to mind.

    You must have missed the news that they’re getting a Steak Escape, and its not even inside a mall food court.

    #370408

    mrpoppinzs
    Member

    Coremodels said:
    You must have missed the news that they’re getting a Steak Escape, and its not even inside a mall food court.

    Nothing like a mediocre chain cheesesteak to bring up the neighborhood…

    #370409

    joev
    Participant

    InnerCore said:

    If casino’s take money out of the local economy then Vegas shouldn’t even exist. Part of creating a good casino that doesn’t suck money out of the local economy is to create one that a lot of visitors come to so that the money lost from locals is offset by visitors coming in staying at local hotels, eating at local restaurants and visiting other local attractions.

    This is a lot easier to do when you create a downtown casino so that people can fly in, gamble and then easily walk around to other dinning, shopping and entertainment options.

    If you think ANYONE would fly in for any of the Ohio casinos, you’re being delusional. Casinos are no longer rare. Vegas’ casino income has decreased in the past decade -pretty significantly, actually.

    #370410

    mrpoppinzs
    Member

    ^ No, but it might have tipped the scales in Columbus’s favor when they mention to a convention organizer that a casino was in walking distance of the Convention Center and the new convention center hotel…

    #370411
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
    Participant

    joev said:
    Vegas’ casino income has decreased in the past decade -pretty significantly, actually.

    Not really. Nevada Gaming took pretty big hits in the first couple years of the 2000’s and then mostly flattened out, and 2012 was an improvement again.

    ETA: BTW, the “take money out of the local economy” argument falls fairly flat when you look at their tax contributions to the city already, the number of residents with gainful employment there, etc.

    #370412

    byJody
    Participant

    If casino’s are such a great economic boost then the West side is the perfect petri dish to show the effect. If it needs to be located in an already thriving district to do well, then It’s not really the stimulant it claims to be. The Hollywood is much closer to downtown than the airport and convention guests seem to get there OK. As far as design, I remember something said that when PNG was cherrypicking a site to write into the constitutional amendment, City Center was not suitable because it was too small. Somehow they chose a very inaccessible site which was going to need a new highway exit ramp constructed in an already congested area. This accusation that Walker was somehow negligent by not leading the charge for a better Casino design is shocking. I guess the Mayor isn’t the only target for all perceived insufficiencies in the city.

    ETA, seems the airport is 7 miles and HWC is 10 from GCCC, so my error.

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