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  • #1075938
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
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    Lol^

    Seriously though, is core saying you can’t have a valid opinion on these restaurants unless you’re a restauranteur?

    Nope. You know better than that. I’m saying that someone who was a server at one of her restaurants explaining when she should have timed reinvestment strategies, how she should have managed a competitive edge, and basically outlining her business model for her is probably speaking out of her depth.

    #1075939
    Snarf
    Snarf
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    Fair.

    If the end result is less poutine, I’m good.

    #1075942
    truthbetold
    truthbetold
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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>truthbetold wrote:</div>
    Clearly you must think the only job I ever had was at CFL. Had you actually read my comments I stated I was a former employee there. After leaving I moved to a different city and work for a larger multi-unit group that actually DOES have a clue what they are doing. I’ve been given a management opportunity and learned a lot about operations and what it takes to have success. Since you appear to be so worked up as to my business experience, I now wonder what it is you do. Modeling?

    I owned and operated an agency for about 7 years, served as agency director for another agency for about 8 years before that. I previously had a Series 6, 7, and 62 and worked as a financial planner and investment banker, taking companies public like Max & Erma’s and Cheryl & Co. (for a series of subordinated debentures, not a stock offering). Now I collect residuals from my agency on a handful of models I represent as mother agent and am director of corporate sales for a food company, managing about 22 million a year in sales for the Southeastern United States.

    BTW, I’m not the one telling people about how they’ve made all the wrong business decisions. I’m sure that Liz would love to hear more though, I mean she’s only successfully opened and run a half dozen restaurants in the last decade and you got promoted to manager recently…

    Wow, I did not realize I was in the presence of such greatness. Although I never set out to seek your approval when I began posting my opinions about a company I worked for (and you didn’t). You seem to have accomplished quite a lot for someone in his mid 40’s. I am just 27 but hopefully can achieve the same level of professional success you have one day. I’m sure it’s quite an interesting story as to how one could go from being an “investment banker” to selling fruit baskets for a marginally bankrupt multi-channel foodservice company. I’ve been stuck in the same industry my entire career so do not have the same worldly experiences. While I have moved a few times I do not have the experience of dealing with lawsuits surrounding multiple evictions or even passing bad checks. I have also never sued my employer nor have I ever been sued by my employer (current or former) either. I could only surmise these are stripes earned on the field of battle.

    So while I am probably naive in terms of business experience compared to you, I am going to try and keep pressing on and doing the best I can. Thank you so much for your words of encouragement David.

    #1075949

    tolemac5050
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    Can’t be David Corna, since he passed away a few years ago. (Took Max & Erma’s, Cheryl’s public)

    #1075957
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
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    Can’t be David Corna, since he passed away a few years ago. (Took Max & Erma’s, Cheryl’s public)

    Was one of David’s employees ;)

    #1075961

    asil
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    Damn – you people have a lot of time on your hands to speculate, research everyone’s business and craft scathing responses in an online forum. Thank god I’m nobody.

    #1075962
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
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    Wow, I did not realize I was in the presence of such greatness. Although I never set out to seek your approval when I began posting my opinions about a company I worked for (and you didn’t). You seem to have accomplished quite a lot for someone in his mid 40′s. I am just 27 but hopefully can achieve the same level of professional success you have one day. I’m sure it’s quite an interesting story as to how one could go from being an “investment banker” to selling fruit baskets for a marginally bankrupt multi-channel foodservice company. I’ve been stuck in the same industry my entire career so do not have the same worldly experiences. While I have moved a few times I do not have the experience of dealing with lawsuits surrounding multiple evictions or even passing bad checks. I have also never sued my employer nor have I ever been sued by my employer (current or former) either. I could only surmise these are stripes earned on the field of battle.

    So while I am probably naive in terms of business experience compared to you, I am going to try and keep pressing on and doing the best I can. Thank you so much for your words of encouragement David.

    Well, you’ve clearly been lucky enough never to deal with identity theft (which is why you may notice those cases were dismissed). Don’t get me wrong, I’ve made plenty of bad choices (which is why I stopped working in the investment business), had a DUI, etc….as far as suing an employer, you bet your ass I’m going to sue for due wages when my compensation plan is reduced after a buyout and you also may notice I won when I was sued by a former employer. You don’t need to dig around to learn about me, I’m a pretty open book for anyone who knows me. Guess what…you still aren’t qualified to tell Liz how to run her business.

    p.s. One last thought, if this is any indication, you’re approaching danger level stalker cred. Between creating this account to dig into the life of your former employer to spending a great deal of time trying to learn my identity and research me…you may need to get some help. I don’t mean like outpatient, I’m thinking more like a team of specialists.

    #1075966

    gramarye
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    All that aside, I wanted to clarify so we don’t spend 10 more pages speculating:

    1) CFL restaurants each have their own ownership structure and LLC. What happens at Surly Girl has no bearing on Tip Top. Ever. Period.<br>
    2) Betty’s closed in 2014 because that business model was no longer profitable in the quickly gentrified Short North.<br>
    3) Betty’s was unable to reopen on Gay Street because we weren’t able to meet the timelines set by the landlord. The landlord was eager to get a tenant up and going and found someone able to open sooner than I was able to commit to. Locations fall through for lots of very boring and innocuous reasons all the time, they don’t fall through to slight customers/haters, never seen that happen in my lifetime actually. I have since scouted other locations for Betty’s, even came close to leasing one on campus, but I haven’t found what I’m looking for as I’d like to reopen that concept to 24/7.<br>
    4) Jury Room never met the goals I had for it. I decided to sell the business when the lease was up and a buyer came forward when he heard from a friend of a friend that I might be leaving. The timing was determined so that my staff could immediately start new jobs at Chintz Room without missing a single day of work. We closed Jury Room on Sunday, staff started jobs the very next day at Chintz Room. All of the Jury Room staff with the exception of one person started at Chintz Room the very next week.<br>
    5) Carmen is focusing on Grass Skirt. She loves the tiki bar concept/theme and feels she’s never been able to devote the time/energy to it due to Surly Girl eating up so much of her time. The three Surly partners felt that we accomplished what we wanted to at Surly Girl and it was time to move on from there. No mystery there, the Surly Girls grew up and wanted other things a decade later.<br>
    6) Jim Sweeney called me last month and said he is receiving a lot of pressure from the powers that be and he would like to go ahead with another operator for Franklinton. While I was disappointed because I’ve worked on that space for nearly a decade now, I know the neighborhood comes first and my main objective all along was to promote the neighborhood. If you know me, you know that’s what I care about.<br>

    Trying to keep the thread about Surly Girl primarily, and I did want to follow up, if you’re of a mind:

    You closed Betty’s but plan to reopen it; you closed Surly and do not plan to reopen it, but you also didn’t sell it a la Jury Room. If Surly was still doing well, wouldn’t the better option have been to sell it as well? Especially if it owned its own building? I get that you outgrew it, but there might well have been a younger you out there ready to take over and run with it. (Or a corporate group of old men who thought they could fake it convincingly enough.)

    There’s really no reason to comment on any financial items, they don’t carry any relevance to my restaurant group or the Columbus public. It’s my own personal and private business. I am not ashamed to talk about having tough financial times, especially if there are lessons to share with my peers, but if the goal is to dissect it for reasons of pure schadenfreude, there’s no reason I should engage. If you’ve ever taken a big risk in life, you’ll know it comes with it’s own set of lessons and challenges.

    I agree about the Schadenfreude and I called it out in my first post in this thread. But on the public vs. private divide: In fairness, you occupy that gray zone between public and private. At the very least, anything that touches on the health of your restaurants (and I’m not singling you out here, I’d say the same about any local restaurant operation, whether it’s CFL or Wendy’s) is a matter of public concern, and unfortunately, when it comes to closely held businesses, it’s somewhat inevitable that the personal financial health of the owner(s) will become relevant in some way, sometime, somehow.

    #1075973
    truthbetold
    truthbetold
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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>truthbetold wrote:</div>
    Wow, I did not realize I was in the presence of such greatness. Although I never set out to seek your approval when I began posting my opinions about a company I worked for (and you didn’t). You seem to have accomplished quite a lot for someone in his mid 40′s. I am just 27 but hopefully can achieve the same level of professional success you have one day. I’m sure it’s quite an interesting story as to how one could go from being an “investment banker” to selling fruit baskets for a marginally bankrupt multi-channel foodservice company. I’ve been stuck in the same industry my entire career so do not have the same worldly experiences. While I have moved a few times I do not have the experience of dealing with lawsuits surrounding multiple evictions or even passing bad checks. I have also never sued my employer nor have I ever been sued by my employer (current or former) either. I could only surmise these are stripes earned on the field of battle.

    So while I am probably naive in terms of business experience compared to you, I am going to try and keep pressing on and doing the best I can. Thank you so much for your words of encouragement David.

    Well, you’ve clearly been lucky enough never to deal with identity theft (which is why you may notice those cases were dismissed). Don’t get me wrong, I’ve made plenty of bad choices (which is why I stopped working in the investment business), had a DUI, etc….as far as suing an employer, you bet your ass I’m going to sue for due wages when my compensation plan is reduced after a buyout and you also may notice I won when I was sued by a former employer. You don’t need to dig around to learn about me, I’m a pretty open book for anyone who knows me. Guess what…you still aren’t qualified to tell Liz how to run her business.

    p.s. One last thought, if this is any indication, you’re approaching danger level stalker cred. Between creating this account to dig into the life of your former employer to spending a great deal of time trying to learn my identity and research me…you may need to get some help. I don’t mean like outpatient, I’m thinking more like a team of specialists.

    You chimed in to blindly insult me, friend. Don’t forget that.

    Yes, Liz’s businesses certainly are firing on all cylinders this year. Hopefully things will improve both for her and for you. Best of luck.

    Also, are you sure you took Cheryl’s public, I had a friend whose wife worked there and I thought it simply merged with 1-800 Flowers?

    Btw this is all easy info to dig up and you were the one who started this little back and forth

    #1075974
    derm
    derm
    Participant

    Not to rain on the many disgruntled people here but I want to corroborate some of what Liz(whom I do not know in the slightest) stated. My only connection is that I am an investor in a local restaurant so I know a little about what it takes to get them up and running and staying running.

    1. Short North rents are amazingly huge compared to the rest of the city. Add in the extra monthly tack on expenses. It costs more to do a restaurant there period. A lot more. Add to that the difficulty with staffing due to tremendous swings in patrons from weekday to weekend as well as the constant construction.

    2. Restaurant concepts change. This is the creative class of people who do this. I know of chefs who closed or sold restaurants that were making money to do something different. Just because.

    3. Getting a restaurant up and running takes more time than one would think, often years, with layers of permits and people that need to come in to do various things for various codes. All of it takes money and you are not making any money while you do this.

    4. Things you thought were sure things fall through all the time. The Panera on Grandview ave will not be a CMR restaurant quite possibly because it does not have a basement for the storage they need. They found this out after they kicked out Panera(who wanted to stay) and after CMR signed a lease but did not think to look for steps leading down. Such is life.

    5. Quite honestly the only thing I think is a little crazy about Liz Lessner is wanting to grown lemons in California. Girl, there is no water there, stay in Ohio.

    #1075975

    GeeDee
    Participant

    In the event everyone’s getting worn out discussing local restaurants, Skreened just shit-canned a bunch of employees.

    #1076006

    jOHnH
    Participant

    Were you listening to the Dude’s story, Donny? Then you have no frame of reference here. You’re like a child that wanders in at the middle of the movie and wants to know whats going on. You’re out of your element, Donny!

    It had to be done.

    #1076017
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
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    You chimed in to blindly insult me, friend. Don’t forget that.

    Yes, Liz’s businesses certainly are firing on all cylinders this year. Hopefully things will improve both for her and for you. Best of luck.

    Also, are you sure you took Cheryl’s public, I had a friend whose wife worked there and I thought it simply merged with 1-800 Flowers?

    Btw this is all easy info to dig up and you were the one who started this little back and forth

    I’m not forgetting anything nor did I personally attack you. You clearly don’t know what subordinated debentures are, and are less interested in researching something that would be of actual value to you. Since my lawsuit against my employer is in federal court, it isn’t really all that easy to look up. You took the time to figure out what my name is, then researched multiple court sites to make your accusations, and that my dear, is creepy as fuck. It doesn’t bode well for you as a person or your personal relationships.

    #1076022
    spfld_expat
    spfld_expat
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    4. Things you thought were sure things fall through all the time. The Panera on Grandview ave will not be a CMR restaurant quite possibly because it does not have a basement for the storage they need. They found this out after they kicked out Panera(who wanted to stay) and after CMR signed a lease but did not think to look for steps leading down. Such is life.

    Wait a minute, really? That’s a huge bummer. Not sure I’ve heard that before.

    #1076025

    “You took the time to figure out what my name is, then researched multiple court sites to make your accusations, and that my dear, is creepy as fuck. It doesn’t bode well for you as a person or your personal relationships.”

    Maybe it’s just a crush on you, Core. No one spends that much on an object of disdain. Food for thought.

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