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  • #481260

    cheap
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    lifeontwowheels said:
    I’m speaking to the benefits derived from union membership. I’m at UPS picking up hours and we’re teamsters. Major benefits under the union contract include biannual pay increases, job protections and free healthcare. What I’m suggesting is a company utilizing merit based pay based pay raise for a RTW employee. Just as an example. Why should someone gain benefit if they aren’t members?

    those kids working at ups on trabue rd make shit for money

    some union

    #481261

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    cheap said:
    those kids working at ups on trabue rd make shit for money

    some union

    $12-15/hr within 5 years; free health care after a year; 3 grand in tuition reimbursement at start for up to 4 years. M-F work schedule and o yeah, this is all part time 3-4 hours a day. I don’t know what you consider “shit for money” but as a 20 something working to put myself through school on my own dime, I wish I had done this a lot sooner.

    #481262

    howatzer
    Participant

    The teamsters own UPS.

    #481263

    cheap
    Member

    lifeontwowheels said:
    $12-15/hr within 5 years; free health care after a year; 3 grand in tuition reimbursement at start for up to 4 years. M-F work schedule and o yeah, this is all part time 3-4 hours a day. I don’t know what you consider “shit for money” but as a 20 something working to put myself through school on my own dime, I wish I had done this a lot sooner.

    how much are your union dues

    don’t lie

    #481264

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    cheap said:
    how much are your union dues

    don’t lie

    I haven’t hit union status yet but I’ve been told they aren’t much.

    #481265

    cheap
    Member

    i know people that have worked there.

    you are going to be one mad mf’er when you see your check

    after union dues are taken out

    #481266

    howatzer
    Participant

    “Lotta poor man got to walk the line Just to pay his union dues.”
    – Grateful Dead, “Cumberland Blues”

    #481267

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    cheap said:
    i know people that have worked there.

    you are going to be one mad mf’er when you see your check

    after union dues are taken out

    What do you honestly care? I’m not pro or anti union, I just wanted a decent job that fit my needs and would eventually let me pursue other things. I knew it was union going in and I made the choice when they offered me a position. If I didn’t want to be in the union I could have applied to Fed Ex or any other job in the fucking city.

    #481268

    CooperGuy
    Member

    gramarye said:
    Also, the notion that unions are somehow the guarantors of middle-class existence (rather than one of the major influences behind pushing companies overseas and into automating work) is seriously questionable in today’s world (and I’m not convinced of the truth of that thesis even 60 years ago, but that’s moot at this point).

    While I’m personally on the fence regarding unions, I would disagree with the unions-are-to-blame for automation point. As a former long-time employee at Honda, which has always been non-union, my experience is that they are constantly innovating automated equipment designed to replace humans – and not just a body here an there, but equipment/systems that can replace dozens of people per shift. Automation isn’t created due to unions or their demands, but has many other benefits for a company with manpower reduction, union and non-union alike, just being one of them. Non-stop operation, quality-consistency, ease of modification (vs retraining humans), cost to repair, (vs humans), etc to list a few.

    #481269

    pez
    Participant

    lifeontwowheels said:
    I haven’t hit union status yet but I’ve been told they aren’t much.

    Typically 2.5 x hourly rate /month. + $150 initiation.

    #481270

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    pez said:
    Typically 2.5 x hourly rate /month. + $150 initiation.

    That’s what I was just reading elsewhere. Considering I pay around $120/month for healthcare through my ft employer, I always chalked up future union dues (which would be much less) as basically paying for the healthcare.

    #481271

    ehill27
    Participant

    howatzer said:
    That’s the wonderful thing about having states – they give you a good sample from which to test such beliefs…. Conclusion: Unionization doesn’t really matter to either income or unemployment rates at the state level.

    I think the stats warrant deeper analysis that this.

    Unions were created out of necessity by folks driven to the brink. Driven so far that they risked it all to form them. Without unions, I see no reason why business wouldn’t push folks to back the brink. Thus recreating the cycle to demand fairness through the power of the mass bargaining.

    I’d like to believe that unions aren’t necessary, but I see no evidence to be hopeful for such a utopian world.

    #481272

    howatzer
    Participant

    ehill27 said:
    I think the stats warrant deeper analysis that this.

    Unions were created out of necessity by folks driven to the brink. Driven so far that they risked it all to form them. Without unions, I see no reason why business wouldn’t push folks to back the brink. Thus recreating the cycle to demand fairness through the power of the mass bargaining.

    I’d like to believe that unions aren’t necessary, but I see no evidence to be hopeful for such a utopian world.

    If you mean the “I believe it so, so it must be so” analysis, I’ll let you keep pursuing that. Ill stick to the data.

    #481273

    howatzer
    Participant

    CooperGuy said:
    While I’m personally on the fence regarding unions, I would disagree with the unions-are-to-blame for automation point. As a former long-time employee at Honda, which has always been non-union, my experience is that they are constantly innovating automated equipment designed to replace humans – and not just a body here an there, but equipment/systems that can replace dozens of people per shift. Automation isn’t created due to unions or their demands, but has many other benefits for a company with manpower reduction, union and non-union alike, just being one of them. Non-stop operation, quality-consistency, ease of modification (vs retraining humans), cost to repair, (vs humans), etc to list a few.

    And most importantly, you can just throw an obsolete machine on the scrap heap and you won’t need to pay it a pension for 20+ years.

    I agree that unionization and automation are not necessarily coupled – even chinese workers are losing jobs to automation.

    But also keep in mind that automation doesn’t destroy labor – it may destroy particular (typically low-skilled) jobs, but that labor is then free to do other things. If automation destroyed labor, unemployment rates should have been decreasing steadily for that past 200 years.

    #481274

    myliftkk
    Participant

    I worked for Ups for six years in the nineties. Union dues on part time work were twenty/month. I had full medical as a part timer as of thirty days in. By the time I left, I was free to work however many extra hours I wanted on other shifts and was pulling down about 30k given full time hours for a part time employee.

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