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Removal of J Gumbo fence and flowers downtown

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  • #455899

    Elizabeth Lessner
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    Apparently the Public Service Department prefers the “before” photo of J. Gumbo’s:

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    #455900

    Bear
    Participant

    hugh59 said:
    The policy should be sensible, it should be known, and it should be predictable. How can anyone comply with a policy otherwise? If they want X amount of sidewalk open, then they should be clear.

    I have to think this is the reason we’re all so puzzled.

    If the policy were clear, it could easily be interpreted and acted upon by businesses, and there would be no way for the DPS to threaten them with action for noncompliance. The only way any of this makes sense, as far as I can tell, is if the policies in question are either ambiguous or widely ignored or both, and the DPS only enforces them selectively or arbitrarily (or makes up its own interpretation when it wants to enforce them).

    Which still doesn’t answer the “why” question. Does their budget depend on enforcement activity, or something of the sort?

    #455901

    This is an out rage. The City should be kissing small business owner’s asses to get them to move downtown. Call Boyce Safford and the Major’s office. I now realize why I support SB5 – the city employees harassing the public either they can’t issue a permit promptly, for example the new restuarant on Oak near YB or they terrorize an open business that is trying to stimulate commerce and jobs. This is BS IMHO and totally unacceptable behavior and incentives for the private sector – can you say government and public sector OVER-REACH. Give me a break!

    #455902

    DavidF
    Participant

    KingLincolnUrbanEnthusiast said:
    This is an out rage. The City should be kissing small business owner’s asses to get them to move downtown. Call Boyce Safford and the Major’s office. I now realize why I support SB5 – the city employees harassing the public either they can’t issue a permit promptly, for example the new restuarant on Oak near YB or they terrorize an open business that is trying to stimulate commerce and jobs. This is BS IMHO and totally unacceptable behavior and incentives for the private sector – can you say government and public sector OVER-REACH. Give me a break!

    SB 5 does nothing to prevent this type of behavior. It comes from the directors of the departments. Nice try though.

    #455903
    Snarf
    Snarf
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    Bear said:

    Which still doesn’t answer the “why” question. Does their budget depend on enforcement activity, or something of the sort?

    Thank you.

    #455904

    Alex Silbajoris
    Participant

    If it’s all about ADA compliance, are there ADA complaints coming in? Or do they fear a lawsuit from someone who was brutalized by flowers hanging into the right-of-way?

    #455905

    Likes Old Houses
    Participant

    alexs said:
    If it’s all about ADA compliance, are there ADA complaints coming in? Or do they fear a lawsuit from someone who was brutalized by flowers hanging into the right-of-way?

    +1
    Since the City has been pounded so hard previously on ADA violations, they are hyper vigilant. Doesn’t mean they have to be difficult about it though.

    #455906

    cbus11
    Member

    I think Alexs is on to something, central business districts need to meet special level-of-service criteria for right of ways (UFAS and ADAAG). This is all Federal Law (ADA). It is highly detailed and very specific.

    http://www.access-board.gov/prowac/guide/figure1.htm

    The passage along or within a sidewalk or shared-use path should be clear of obstructions underfoot, overhead, or in between. Objects that protrude over a circulation route above a height of 27 inches (685 mm) are not detectable by cane.

    (ie There is a protected zone above 27 inches meant to aid the vision impaired, overhanging flower baskets and patio umbrellas may violate this.)

    http://www.access-board.gov/prowac/guide/prowguide.htm

    #455907

    somertimeoh
    Participant

    If Federal, why do so many other cities seem to turn the other cheek? If there is an ADA compliance issue, does the city get fined or the establishment?

    #455908

    cbus11
    Member

    I believe maintaining sidewalk right of way is the responsibility of the city.

    #455909
    Snarf
    Snarf
    Participant

    People in wheelchairs hate flowers?

    #455910

    cbus11
    Member

    Snarf said:
    People in wheelchairs hate flowers?

    Blind people with canes hate flower boxes (and other hanging shit). ;)

    #455911

    Alex Silbajoris
    Participant

    Maybe we need something like an Urban Design Oddities thread. I see a lot of things that must have looked OK in the CAD drawings, or perhaps they were mistakes that didn’t get caught.

    Or sometimes it marks the boundary of a project – for example sidewalks that end at a property line.

    #455912

    drew
    Participant

    Well, ADA may explain at least some of the perceived need for enforcement, but it doesn’t explain the unevenness of enforcement.

    I also can’t understand why we’re just spitballing online about the reasons for the city’s actions when the city employees enforcing them should be clearly communicating their thinking to the business owners.

    #455913

    Elizabeth Lessner
    Participant

    J. Gumbos had plans drawn and approval for their flower boxes. Chad gave up a foot of valuable customer seating to bring the rail in closer to accommodate the flower boxes. Public Service was unaware of his compliance and harassed him about it despite the fact Chad had jumped through every single City hoop.

    This is threats and harassment pure and simple.

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