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Parking Meters on High Street Downtown

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  • #466685

    johnwirtz
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    Walker said:
    I doubt that’s the only reason they work.

    The Downtown Columbus transit corridor on High Street has been unblocked by on-street parking for 20 years and it wasn’t working out well for retailers…

    I doubt parking is the only reason downtown retail wasn’t working.

    #466686

    johnwirtz
    Participant

    Rockmastermike said:
    Right. If you’re going to do a “transit mall” you have to go all in and do something like what Denver did with the previously cited 16th Street project.

    -No cars
    -One lane road reserved for buses in each direction the rest is pedestrian/business/greenspace.
    -Buses are free on the street for anyone to ride, and they circulate frequently ONLY up and down 16th street so you can park in one of the garages or nearby streets and quickly and easily skate on the free bus anywhere on the strip you want to go.
    -The buses are significantly quieter than the ones COTA uses. I cannot remember how they are fueled but they were sweet. I would advocate overhead electrical lines for efficiency of operation but that’s NOT what they do there in Denver.

    Its a busy, flourishing, strip day and night, and its fun and easy for everyone.

    Short of doing ALL of that, its best just to leave it as a basic street. Including on street parking and everything else that a real city street has.

    Agree with most of this, but also agree that some solution to benefit downtown transit needs to be discussed

    #466687
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    johnwirtz said:
    I doubt parking is the only reason downtown retail wasn’t working.

    I agree. Wasn’t arguing that it was the only reason. But it is one reason, and an important one for certain types of retail. Talk to Mark Swanson at Cup O Joe about the difference in customer accessibility between his Downtown store with zero meters and his Short North store with meters.

    #466688

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    Walker said:
    I agree. Wasn’t arguing that it was the only reason. But it is one reason, and an important one for certain types of retail. Talk to Mark Swanson at Cup O Joe about the difference in customer accessibility between his Downtown store with zero meters and his Short North store with meters.

    Can you really say meters are the issue? The SN location benefits from being in an established, nationally acclaimed neighborhood and destination. You have the convention center pushing traffic up, hotels and residents. Downtown MoJoe is in an area still on the edge of popping, the foot traffic from the commons garage is probably heading south to the courthouse complex and anybody at Broad and High has Caribou, Enstein, Tim’s or Brioso much, much closer.

    #466689

    Rockmastermike
    Participant

    johnwirtz said:
    Agree with most of this, but also agree that some solution to benefit downtown transit needs to be discussed

    transit needs improved city wide. there is no doubt about that. This is not going to change much there.

    Frankly until we get *serious* and decide to really do something major and city wide about transit planning we’re always going to be having this discussion about small marginal changes like this, to little effect.

    #466690
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    lifeontwowheels said:
    Can you really say meters are the issue? The SN location benefits from being in an established, nationally acclaimed neighborhood and destination. You have the convention center pushing traffic up, hotels and residents. Downtown MoJoe is in an area still on the edge of popping, the foot traffic from the commons garage is probably heading south to the courthouse complex and anybody at Broad and High has Caribou, Enstein, Tim’s or Brioso much, much closer.

    I didn’t say it’s *the* issue, but I am saying it is an important one for certain types of retail where easy in-and-out access is required by a sizable amount of the customer base. And I’m not saying that based on my own personal preferences, I’m saying that based on what I’ve heard straight from the mouths of local retailers.

    #466691
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Rockmastermike said:
    Frankly until we get *serious* and decide to really do something major and city wide about transit planning we’re always going to be having this discussion about small marginal changes like this, to little effect.

    Major city-wide transit planning would be great. But don’t let the idea of something big and grandiose (and imaginary at this point) negate the value of a smaller project. Which is really more of a test/pilot project. Which Columbus should be doing a lot more of.

    #466692

    susank
    Member

    When I am at the office I am not moving my car until I leave for the day. That makes the places within walking distance the places that get my business. On the way in it is convenience that dictates my coffee/breakfast urges. From what I understand those meters aren’t available during the morning commute?

    #466693

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    Walker said:
    I didn’t say it’s *the* issue, but I am saying it is an important one for certain types of retail where easy in-and-out access is required by a sizable amount of the customer base. And I’m not saying that based on my own personal preferences, I’m saying that based on what I’ve heard straight from the mouths of local retailers.

    No, I get that meters are beneficial. I’m just pointing out that there’s a lot going on besides meters with the specific example cited. And last I checked there may not be meters on High in front of Downtown COJ but there certainly are plenty on the side streets surrounding. Probably pretty comparable given how far I’ve walked from Goodale Park meters.

    Honestly, their Bexley location with free parking and a small lot is more frustrating as a customer because my exceptions are greater.

    #466694
    Josh Lapp
    Josh Lapp
    Participant

    Myself and my coworkers in my office frequent Brioso (2-3 times a week) but as our office is just outside downtown we almost always drive and park. I also frequent the Jimmy Johns on front street. Without the meters nearby I would never go. Not that people like me make up the bulk of the market but we could be a significant share. More close short term parking can only help businesses.

    #466695

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    joshlapp said:
    Myself and my coworkers in my office frequent Brioso (2-3 times a week) but as our office is just outside downtown we almost always drive and park. I also frequent the Jimmy Johns on front street. Without the meters nearby I would never go. Not that people like me make up the bulk of the market but we could be a significant share. More close short term parking can only help businesses.

    I’m not saying that meters are bad, just pointing out that in walker’s specific example there is a lot more at play.

    #466696
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    lifeontwowheels said:
    Last I checked there may not be meters on High in front of Downtown COJ…

    They were just added on Monday. ;)

    Downtown High Street Parking Meters Installed

    lifeontwowheels said:
    …but there certainly are plenty on the side streets surrounding.

    There’s none on Town right around the corner, but you can go a block further south to maybe find one open on Rich. Or circle around to park a block or more away on Front or State.

    Which might be an ok solution for someone like you or me who’s willing to go out of our way to buy coffee from a local shop, but I guarantee that there are plenty of people who would not see parking right in front and decide it’s not worth the trouble. We already hear this constantly with customers in the Short North complaining that parking is too hard and not worth the trip.

    Not that I think that mindset needs to be overly accommodated. But if there’s room for meters on High Street directly in front of retail spaces, then I don’t see the problem with adding them and helping businesses out. It’s a win for the businesses, it’s a win for customers who want parking meters, and it’s a win for customers who don’t need parking meters as the businesses they love will continue to get more business and keep them thriving.

    #466697
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    lifeontwowheels said:
    I’m not saying that meters are bad, just pointing out that in walker’s specific example there is a lot more at play.

    I never said there wasn’t more at play.

    In fact, I think I’ve said two or three times now that parking meters are just one of several issues for retail businesses.

    So I’m not sure why you’re still arguing with me about something I’m not saying.

    #466698

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    Walker said:
    I never said there wasn’t more at play.

    In fact, I think I’ve said two or three times now that parking meters are just one of several issues for retail businesses.

    So I’m not sure why you’re still arguing with me about something I’m not saying.

    Not really arguing, just pointing out the other end which really wasn’t qualified with the “talk to such and such business owner”. I appreciate the whole picture you typically bring to these discussions.

    What’s the solution when those 4-5 meters immediately in front are all taken at a peak time? At what point do you stop accomadating and start creating a solution better suited to an urban environment? I assume, with the cost of meters and installation, we can kiss streetcars goodbye for the considerable future.

    #466699
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    lifeontwowheels said:
    At what point do you stop accomadating and start creating a solution better suited to an urban environment?

    There are ongoing plans creating better solutions for transit in the urban environment. The conversion of two way streets, COTA’s quarterly improvements to routes and frequencies and the implementation of the Bicentennial Bikeways Plan. These programs are all moving the needle forward every day.

    lifeontwowheels said:
    I assume, with the cost of meters and installation, we can kiss streetcars goodbye for the considerable future.

    I see no reason they can’t be cheaply removed and relocated for transit upgrades such as a streetcar project. The cost of doing that would be tiny compared to the installation of a streetcar.

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