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    Chris Sunami
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    I’m not entirely sure how and when political allegiances on the Patriot Act reversed, but I still think the whole thing was a terrible idea from the start.

    I wonder if that means rus is in favor of it?

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/30/politics/what-happens-if-the-patriot-act-provisions-expire/index.html

    #1078692

    OneBagTravel
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    You’d be hard pressed to find anyone not associated with the old Bush/Cheney camp still in favor of it.

    #1078866

    McFly
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    You’d be hard pressed to find anyone not associated with the old Bush/Cheney camp still in favor of it.

    A recent CNN/ORC poll found that 61% of Americans wanted it renewed.

    #1078878

    OneBagTravel
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    A recent CNN/ORC poll found that 61% of Americans wanted it renewed.

    The CNN/ORC Poll was conducted by telephone May 29-31 among a random national sample of 1,025 adults. The margin of sampling error for results based on the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

    1000 adults i guess is a good base number lol

    #1079002

    McFly
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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>McFly wrote:</div>
    A recent CNN/ORC poll found that 61% of Americans wanted it renewed.

    The CNN/ORC Poll was conducted by telephone May 29-31 among a random national sample of 1,025 adults. The margin of sampling error for results based on the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

    1000 adults i guess is a good base number lol

    Um, OK…? You do know that 1,000 or less is pretty much the standard for any public opinion poll, right?

    #1079075
    rus
    rus
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    You’d be hard pressed to find anyone not associated with the old Bush/Cheney camp still in favor of it.

    http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/05/20/americans-attitudes-about-privacy-security-and-surveillance/

    Two new Pew Research Center surveys explore these issues and place them in the wider context of the tracking and profiling that occurs in commercial arenas. The surveys find that Americans feel privacy is important in their daily lives in a number of essential ways. Yet, they have a pervasive sense that they are under surveillance when in public and very few feel they have a great deal of control over the data that is collected about them and how it is used. Adding to earlier Pew Research reports that have documented low levels of trust in sectors that Americans associate with data collection and monitoring, the new findings show Americans also have exceedingly low levels of confidence in the privacy and security of the records that are maintained by a variety of institutions in the digital age.

    While some Americans have taken modest steps to stem the tide of data collection, few have adopted advanced privacy-enhancing measures. However, majorities of Americans expect that a wide array of organizations should have limits on the length of time that they can retain records of their activities and communications. At the same time, Americans continue to express the belief that there should be greater limits on government surveillance programs. Additionally, they say it is important to preserve the ability to be anonymous for certain online activities.

    From the previous NPR link:

    What’s going on? It’s impossible to know why these particular polls came out showing conflicting attitudes, but we do know that survey respondents’ views on government surveillance can swing widely depending on how the question is asked. Pew studied this in 2013, when it asked the question a number of different ways. When Pew mentioned terrorism, people were significantly more likely to support government collection of data than not.

    In addition, political scientists in a 2007 study asked people whether they supported or opposed the Patriot Act, but they described the act differently in each question. In one, they were vague, saying the Patriot Act makes it easier for the government to collect information on Americans. In others, the surveyors explained how the act allows for searches of homes, as well as library and hospital records. Respondents were far less likely to support the law when those provisions were described.

    That provides a new lens through which to look at these sorts of surveys. It’s possible that when asked about a specific law that was created to thwart terrorism, people felt more supportive, but that they also generally support the idea of less government intrusion into their lives.

    So even while many Americans may worry about their privacy, these sorts of experiments also show how much tension there is between security and privacy for Americans. It’s difficult to weigh one against the other when you want both.

    One thing that is known is that these views vary by age. The CNN poll found that only half of people ages 18 to 34 believe Congress should renew the NSA’s ability to collect phone data. But as one goes up the age spectrum, approval of Patriot Act renewal also climbs — 71 percent of people over 65 approve of renewing the act.

    tl;dr: Surveys vary widely with different questions. Privacy is important to people, but “terrorism” garners support for government surveillance even as trust in government entities remains low.

    #1079078

    OneBagTravel
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    Exactly Rus, which is why these polls (I’m looking at you CNN) are so completely useless when questions can be lead a specific way.

    Do you value America’s security against Terrorism? YES
    Do you want NSA to collect your phone records? NO

    Yet they’re essentially the same question just lead completely different. So I say again, you’ll be hard pressed to find someone who supports what the Patriot Act really encompasses.

    #1079130

    pedex
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    zero success rate, busted doing it illegally, and now the govt is going to go around the current illegality and use the worst of all worlds and semi privatize it

    all this for such a tiny tiny threat

    one has to wonder, why not work on doing proper police work and investigation or cleaning up our corrupt dysfunctional govt first?

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