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    gramarye
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    JimL2 wrote >>
    The tone of her email just got under my skin …
    But the Dept. of Ag. claims they’ve already been inspecting wineries without incident, they’re just expanding that. So to me it sounds like a whole lot of nothing, people complaining rather than talking to each other, complaining that a $50-$300 inspection fee and being forced to wash grapes (which may or may not be the case) will ruin their business.

    I agree that the tone of the e-mail wasn’t the best, and also that $300/yr, assuming this is an annual thing, isn’t massive in the grand scheme of things. The part of the e-mail that was actually the most interesting to me, and on which I might feel more sympathetic to KR than the inspection issue, was the denial of the auxiliary tasting room permit for the Scenic Byway location in Ripley. That represents potentially more than $300 in lost revenue for the business as well as more than $300 in lost investment for Ripley.

    #380679

    Jim Lauwers
    Participant

    Andrew Hall wrote >>
    Considering there is no demonstrated safety risk in Cali (or anywhere) which is being controlled by these regulations, how do you feel about regulations forbidding UFO landings in the vineyards? Such regulations have actual historical precedent and have proven highly successful in proactively solving the problem.

    Absolutely for it. I am 100% in favor of proactive solutions rather than waiting for someone to get sick because a UFO irradiated some wine.

    (radiation poisoning is an illness that can be transmitted through wine, KSquared)
    (also if there’s a bunch of nails and shredded glass in your wine that’s probably not going to be great for you either I’d like someone to check for that)
    (although actually I guess red wine decreases the toxicity of radiation so maybe that would cancel it out)

    #380680

    Andrew Hall
    Member

    gramarye wrote >>

    JimL2 wrote >>
    The tone of her email just got under my skin …
    But the Dept. of Ag. claims they’ve already been inspecting wineries without incident, they’re just expanding that. So to me it sounds like a whole lot of nothing, people complaining rather than talking to each other, complaining that a $50-$300 inspection fee and being forced to wash grapes (which may or may not be the case) will ruin their business.

    I agree that the tone of the e-mail wasn’t the best, and also that $300/yr, assuming this is an annual thing, isn’t massive in the grand scheme of things. The part of the e-mail that was actually the most interesting to me, and on which I might feel more sympathetic to KR than the inspection issue, was the denial of the auxiliary tasting room permit for the Scenic Byway location in Ripley. That represents potentially more than $300 in lost revenue for the business as well as more than $300 in lost investment for Ripley.

    In general, people are tired of being nickel-and-dimed (so to speak) with no end in sight. While no one thing is massive, the accumulation of them is. It is also the principle which I believe goes back to tea.

    The Ohio code with regards to wineries and tasting rooms is a mess. One can buy tanker trucks full of wine from California, slap a label on the bottles and open a “winery” tasting room. One can’t have a tasting room from one’s own-grown-and-produced wines that is separate from the production facilities.

    A.

    #380681

    Jim Lauwers
    Participant

    Andrew Hall wrote >>
    The Ohio code with regards to wineries and tasting rooms is a mess.

    What are your thoughts on why the regs are that way? What would it take to fix it? Are the wineries just not representing themselves effectively, or is it such a small industry (relatively) that it’s hardly thought about?

    I am genuinely interested in this, I’m not setting you up for Socratic boxing.

    #380682

    Jim Lauwers
    Participant

    Andrew Hall wrote >>
    The Ohio code with regards to wineries and tasting rooms is a mess.

    What are your thoughts on why the regs are that way? What would it take to fix it? Are the wineries just not representing themselves effectively, or is it such a small industry (relatively) that it’s hardly thought about?

    I am genuinely interested in this, I’m not setting you up for Socratic boxing.

    #380683

    chaptal
    Participant

    Andrew Hall wrote >>

    gramarye wrote >>

    JimL2 wrote >>
    The tone of her email just got under my skin …
    But the Dept. of Ag. claims they’ve already been inspecting wineries without incident, they’re just expanding that. So to me it sounds like a whole lot of nothing, people complaining rather than talking to each other, complaining that a $50-$300 inspection fee and being forced to wash grapes (which may or may not be the case) will ruin their business.

    I agree that the tone of the e-mail wasn’t the best, and also that $300/yr, assuming this is an annual thing, isn’t massive in the grand scheme of things. The part of the e-mail that was actually the most interesting to me, and on which I might feel more sympathetic to KR than the inspection issue, was the denial of the auxiliary tasting room permit for the Scenic Byway location in Ripley. That represents potentially more than $300 in lost revenue for the business as well as more than $300 in lost investment for Ripley.

    In general, people are tired of being nickel-and-dimed (so to speak) with no end in sight. While no one thing is massive, the accumulation of them is. It is also the principle which I believe goes back to tea.
    The Ohio code with regards to wineries and tasting rooms is a mess. One can buy tanker trucks full of wine from California, slap a label on the bottles and open a “winery” tasting room. One can’t have a tasting room from one’s own-grown-and-produced wines that is separate from the production facilities.
    A.

    +1

    Ohio’s liquor controls are an astonishing boondoggle of nonsense. It’s ridiculous how the state treats its own wine producers and allows anyone else access to operating a winery from wine made from tank car juice.

    Pre-washed grapes before fermentation is an insult to winemakers who insist on quality product from their estate grown wines.

    #380684

    Jim Lauwers
    Participant

    Oh good, Walker installed the mod that forces me to double-post, circumventing the mod that prevents me from double-posting.

    ANDREW HALL I AM SO INTERESTED IN THIS THAT I CAN’T WAIT MORE THAN 20 SECONDS FOR A RESPONSE

    WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE

    ANDREW

    #380685

    Andrew Hall
    Member

    JimL2 wrote >>

    Andrew Hall wrote >>
    The Ohio code with regards to wineries and tasting rooms is a mess.

    What are your thoughts on why the regs are that way? What would it take to fix it? Are the wineries just not representing themselves effectively, or is it such a small industry (relatively) that it’s hardly thought about?
    I am genuinely interested in this, I’m not setting you up for Socratic boxing.

    It is a long story and will have to await a fuller answer. There are reasonable interests which are the genesis of the code, but that code has also not kept up with a rapidly growing industry that the State has chosen to promote. There are tensions between different parts of the State as well.

    A.

    #380686

    jackoh
    Participant

    I wonder how much of this is driven by a public health concern and how much of it is a liquor control issue?

    #380687

    Bear
    Participant

    It sounds, frankly, more like a combination of unwise policy (excessive and pointless fees/regulations that discourage businesses without any clear upside) and a bureaucratic mistake (classing wine grapes with table grapes in food-safety regs). That’s my guess, not knowing more about it.

    I’d hope the latter could be cleared up with a quick bill sponsored by the relevant state representative(s). The former could be harder to resolve. Kinkead Ridge is by most metrics the top winemaker in the state; if Ohio is willing to annoy them enough to get them to relocate for such minor stakes, it really makes me question their commitment to quality Ohio wines.

    #380688
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    Bear wrote >>
    It sounds, frankly, more like a combination of unwise policy (excessive and pointless fees/regulations that discourage businesses without any clear upside) and a bureaucratic mistake (classing wine grapes with table grapes in food-safety regs). That’s my guess, not knowing more about it.

    Same here. I don’t drink wine or anything else alcoholic, but seems like more effective regulations would be a good thing here.

    #380689

    jackoh
    Participant

    Could someone point out to me the downside if the Department of Liquor Control were to be abolished and the liquor enforcement division of the Department of Public Safety were to follow suit?

    #380690

    Analogue Kid
    Participant

    So the ODA sees it necessary to regulate small wine business but ‘cant do much’ about large CAFOs and their ‘totally not a health hazard’ manure problems? Nice

    #380691
    Manatee
    Manatee
    Participant

    Analogue Kid wrote >>
    So the ODA sees it necessary to regulate small wine business but ‘cant do much’ about large CAFOs and their ‘totally not a health hazard’ manure problems? Nice

    What we need to do is start making delicious, delicious manure wine, that oughtta get their attention

    #380692

    Andrew Hall
    Member

    Google ‘cow horn manure wine.’

    A.

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