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  • #544636

    BCNation
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    The slogan in the successful levy defeat in UA last fall was “It’s Okay to say NO”. My sentiments exactly when it comes to CCS. CCS is too corrupt to fail, and I am ready to vote NO because you have 90% of CCS not educated or prepared for the real world. When I have children, the choice is clear, it’s either I’d better have a good-paying job to send my (future) children to private/parochial school, or it’s a cottage in Bexley/house in Gahanna/one-room log cabin in Lewis C Worthington, over a failing school in Linden/the East Side/the Hilltop any day of the week.

    “Just say NO.”- Nancy Reagan

    #544637

    joev
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    I’m truly ignorant on the matter – beside the attendance scandal, what else is corrupt at CCS?

    #544638

    NDaEast
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    It’s too long a list, but I’ll get started — I may be off on a couple details (others feel free to correct and/or fill in the blanks), but my first list would look something like this …

    — Under No Child Left Behind, there are private tutoring services available to children in failing schools … CCS was making payments of tens of thousands of dollars to dozens and dozens of phantom providers who never saw kids.

    — Over 200 CCS employees had GFS (Gordon Food Services) credit cards, with which some were charged (their own personal) birthday parties, wedding receptions, etc.

    — There was a $5M computer purchase from HP, of which $500K in computers disappeared over the summer.

    — Thousands of student grades were retroactively changed from failing to passing after students and teachers left school for summer breaks.

    — Kids who haven’t been inside a school in years are mysteriously getting enough credits to “graduate,” so there are young people walking around with no idea that the state thinks they have a diploma.

    — Students were retroactively (and unlawfully) dis-enrolled, then re-enrolled, so their bad test scores wouldn’t count …

    — School principals and staff were making their own children eligible for free/reduced price lunch …

    #544639

    heresthecasey
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    Columbus schools need cuts, not more cash, levy panel is told
    By Bill Bush
    The Columbus Dispatch Friday June 21, 2013 6:00 AM

    Columbus City Schools should get no new property-tax money from a November levy, a member of the committee that is to recommend how much money to ask voters to approve said yesterday.

    Instead, the new tax dollars should go to running charter schools, expanding pre-kindergarten and starting other initiatives proposed by Mayor Michael B. Coleman’s education commission, said Alex Fischer, head of the Columbus Partnership, which represents large local businesses and organizations.

    To balance its budget, the district should cut up to $100 million a year in such non-instructional costs as employee health benefits, and transportation, food and custodial services, while at the same time benefitting from a possible increase in state funding that could reach tens of millions of dollars, he said at a meeting of the committee.

    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/06/20/Columbus_schools_millage_committee_meets.html

    #544640

    joev
    Participant

    Charter schools are on average far worse. I do not want any tax dollars going to support these for-profit entities.

    #544641
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    NDaEast said:
    It’s too long a list, but I’ll get started — I may be off on a couple details (others feel free to correct and/or fill in the blanks), but my first list would look something like this …

    — Under No Child Left Behind, there are private tutoring services available to children in failing schools … CCS was making payments of tens of thousands of dollars to dozens and dozens of phantom providers who never saw kids.

    — Over 200 CCS employees had GFS (Gordon Food Services) credit cards, with which some were charged (their own personal) birthday parties, wedding receptions, etc.

    — There was a $5M computer purchase from HP, of which $500K in computers disappeared over the summer.

    — Thousands of student grades were retroactively changed from failing to passing after students and teachers left school for summer breaks.

    — Kids who haven’t been inside a school in years are mysteriously getting enough credits to “graduate,” so there are young people walking around with no idea that the state thinks they have a diploma.

    — Students were retroactively (and unlawfully) dis-enrolled, then re-enrolled, so their bad test scores wouldn’t count …

    — School principals and staff were making their own children eligible for free/reduced price lunch …

    Looks like a great list of reasons to vote down any new levy until such issues are addressed.

    #544642

    DTown
    Participant

    rus said:
    Looks like a great list of reasons to vote down any new levy until such issues are addressed.

    Sure. Because the Columbus School System doesn’t do anything positive. Doesn’t the fact that these issues are public and reported on tend to make you think that maybe they are being addressed, and that the vast majority of a very large and difficult to administer system is committed to improvement?

    #544643
    rus
    rus
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    DTown said:
    Sure. Because the Columbus School System doesn’t do anything positive.

    Right, and where did I say that?

    DTown said:
    Doesn’t the fact that these issues are public and reported on tend to make you think that maybe they are being addressed, and that the vast majority of a very large and difficult to administer system is committed to improvement?

    No, not at all. That something is simply reported on doesn’t mean something is being addressed or being addressed satisfactorily.

    Those are separate questions.

    #544644

    DTown
    Participant

    rus said:
    Right, and where did I say that?

    If one person’s list of concerns with the exceedingly complex public school system is a singular reason to vote against any levy that has yet to be quantified, announced or explained, you aren’t exactly espousing an intellectual or thoughtful debate on the pros and cons of the issues, are you?

    #544645

    gramarye
    Participant

    If those allegations are in fact true, then yes, it is more than just “one person’s list of concerns” and indeed rises to a reason to vote against further funding until the composition of the board shifts to one more committed to eliminating such phenomena. Of course, NDaEast clearly has an axe to grind, so I would be interested in hearing the other side here–in particular, what actions the current board has in fact taken in response to these occurrences.

    #544646
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    gramarye said:
    If those allegations are in fact true, then yes, it is more than just “one person’s list of concerns” and indeed rises to a reason to vote against further funding until the composition of the board shifts to one more committed to eliminating such phenomena.

    Exactly. Mismanagement of current funds isn’t a reason to give them more funds. Quite the opposite.

    gramarye said:
    what actions the current board has in fact taken in response to these occurrences.

    Would be nice.

    #544647

    DTown
    Participant

    gramarye said:
    If those allegations are in fact true, then yes, it is more than just “one person’s list of concerns” and indeed rises to a reason to vote against further funding until the composition of the board shifts to one more committed to eliminating such phenomena. Of course, NDaEast clearly has an axe to grind, so I would be interested in hearing the other side here–in particular, what actions the current board has in fact taken in response to these occurrences.

    A committee of 16 business leaders and community leaders are meeting to determine the levy needs and to recommend where money should be spent and where cuts should be made. They are making these recommendations with full awareness of these very public problems. It is part of a much larger effort, I believe, to change the system for the better. Problems or not, schools still need money to operate, and often to fix those problems. No one can deny that scrutiny and change is occurring.

    Let’s wait until we hear the plan, at least.

    Just irks me that so many people are experts on just how much money a school system, any school system, needs to operate properly… “no more than I’m paying now”. And anything short of perfection can be used as validation of that particular expertise.

    #544648
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    DTown said:
    Just irks me that so many people are experts on just how much money a school system, any school system, needs to operate properly

    Because payments to phantom providers, missing computers and personal use of school district resources are required for any school system to operate properly?

    #544649

    ehill27
    Participant

    I don’t see how withholding a funding increase would resolve the “corruption” issue. Wouldn’t voting for new board members have a greater impact?

    #544650

    DTown
    Participant

    rus said:
    Because payments to phantom providers, missing computers and personal use of school district resources are required for any school system to operate properly?

    No, they aren’t. They are problems that require, demand, repair. Any system involving tens of thousands of people and countless sub contractors are susceptible.

    Closed minded withholding of operating funds without facts or any analysis isn’t a fix, and likely primarily self-serving.

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