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    ImNotaStar
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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>ImNotaStar wrote:</div>
    For those that are anti-gun how do you propose to handle this? An outright ban of all guns? Changing the Constitution? Further restrictions on gun purchases? I could be in favor of reenacting the assault rifle ban, but other than that I don’t see how/why you would do anything else.

    I know of virtually no one who suggests banning guns or seizing guns or any of the other hyperbole that comes with this conversation.

    How about we lift the congressional ban on scientific research regarding gun violence? We start acknowledging this epidemic is what it is and treat it as such. We let the experts at places like the CDC examine what all of the other countries have done that makes this not happen there with this regularity and start implementing some of their advised changes.

    I made no hyperbole, I asked a question with many possible solutions. Why jump down my throat? So just more research? Cool, I am down with that.

    I would not expect you to be for banning any weapon since you apparently from my hood.

    #1105705

    ImNotaStar
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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Coremodels wrote:</div>
    We let the experts at places like the CDC examine what all of the other countries have done that makes this not happen there with this regularity and start implementing some of their advised changes.

    Just follow Australia’s lead…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/australia-gun-control_561bb80ce4b0e66ad4c86fa0

    Yea, no thanks.

    #1105720
    Ned23
    Ned23
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    My observation on the discussions around latest shooting in San Diego was that one faction desperately wanted the shootings to be Islamicist while the other side defended the possibility that it could just be a ‘typical workplace shooting’ up until the connecting evidence was released.

    I’m also wondering when workplace shootings got “typical”.

    #1105722
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
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    My observation on the discussions around latest shooting in San Diego was that one faction desperately wanted the shootings to be Islamicist while the other side defended the possibility that it could just be a ‘typical workplace shooting’ up until the connecting evidence was released.

    I’m also wondering when workplace shootings got “typical”.

    What blows my mind, we spend days on end speculating over the “terror connection” because the religion that spurred on the attack was Islam…and not even a minute speculating over the possibility when a guy shoots up Planned Parenthood, which has typically been the act of religious fanatics as well.

    #1105725

    jackoh
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    And why is there no acknowledgement of the fact that America, as a society, perpetrates mass killings in various places around the globe daily.

    #1105729

    McFly
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    My observation on the discussions around latest shooting in San Diego was that one faction desperately wanted the shootings to be Islamicist while the other side defended the possibility that it could just be a ‘typical workplace shooting’ up until the connecting evidence was released.

    To me, that would seem a completely incorrect assessment of the discussions, but then I suppose you and I frequent different portions of the media. Within an hour of the shootings there were a number of prominent lefties using the incident to push their agendas and/or attempt to score points against Conservatives.

    #1105750
    DC
    DC
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    And why is there no acknowledgement of the fact that America, as a society, perpetrates mass killings in various places around the globe daily.

    Bingo! You nailed it. It is crazy that we do not have a more developed perspective on this. And how could we ever trust the same people (leaders) who are among the most weaponized, violent, and war-sick individuals on the planet to regulate our access to arms? Listening to Obama talk about his “concerns” for reducing gun violence is like listening to Ronald McDonald talk about healthy eating.

    #1105794
    Posole
    Posole
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    To me, that would seem a completely incorrect assessment of the discussions, but then I suppose you and I frequent different portions of the media. Within an hour of the shootings there were a number of prominent lefties using the incident to push their agendas and/or attempt to score points against Conservatives.

    From my perspective, the “right” immediately wanted to call it terrorism even though there was absolutely no evidence of this released to the public within the first 12 hours. The accusation was completely based on profiling based on the guy’s name. The “left” was more cautious and tried to avoid to speculating beyond the available information, which was that it was a workplace-related shooting. Once all the information came out most people agreed it was terrorism.

    #1105913

    McFly
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    From my perspective, the “right” immediately wanted to call it terrorism even though there was absolutely no evidence of this released to the public within the first 12 hours. The accusation was completely based on profiling based on the guy’s name. The “left” was more cautious and tried to avoid to speculating beyond the available information, which was that it was a workplace-related shooting. Once all the information came out most people agreed it was terrorism.

    Don’t get me wrong, there was plenty of conclusion-jumping from both sides. However, from what I saw, the reason so many were calling this terrorism within an hour or two was primarily based on the fact that it involved multiple gunmen (initially reported as three), in body armor and tactical gear (and with masks), and with explosive devices… all of which tends to (but not always) point to something more than someone going postal, or your “typical” workplace violence. The names involved certainly added fuel to the fire, but when taken in light of the details of the attack, why shouldn’t it?

    From what I saw, saying that the left was more cautious is completely incorrect. Within an hour or two of the shootings, people on the left were blaming conservatives and speculating that this was supposed to be a hit on a nearby planned parenthood building.

    But, again, we obviously focus in on different aspects from different sides of the media.

    #1105941
    Chris Sunami
    Chris Sunami
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    Fourteen innocent people slaughtered and the discussion devolves into who was quickest to point fingers, the Democrats or the Republicans? It’s no wonder people are sick of both sides.

    #1105942
    Ned23
    Ned23
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    Both ‘sides’ have had inconsistent definitions of terrorism: The right for example, insists that just because the planned parenthood (PP) shooter said he was Christian and watched Fox News that doesn’t mean FOX / Christianity “inspired terrorism” against PP. At the same time they claim that because the San Bernadino guy was Muslim, read ISIS literature and pledged allegiance on his FB page that ISIS/ Islam did cause the attack.

    Some on the left are arguing in the exact opposite. They can’t both be correct.

    #1105996
    Chris Sunami
    Chris Sunami
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    Some on the left are arguing in the exact opposite. They can’t both be correct.

    Yes, but they can both be wrong.

    #1105999
    Posole
    Posole
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    I think a lot of the ‘left’ are making the christian/terrorism comparisons sarcastically. They’re doing it to point out the fallacy of the argument. Probably a few really believe it, but not most.

    #1106017

    tolemac5050
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    A single shooting 35 years ago saddened the WORLD…RIP John Lennon

    #1106022
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
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    I think a lot of the ‘left’ are making the christian/terrorism comparisons sarcastically. They’re doing it to point out the fallacy of the argument. Probably a few really believe it, but not most.

    I’d have to agree, most liberals like myself consider pretty much all the mass shootings terrorism regardless of ideology.

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