Plastic Bag Bans in Columbus

[rus]

joev wrote:

The problem is that retailers aren’t figuring in the externals costs of plastic bags – and it seems like a lot of people here would prefer to ignore than there ever are external costs.

“external costs” = “numbers I made up to force people to do what I want”.

Which you complain about about while ignoring the “external costs” Core brings up.

[Coremodels]

joev wrote:

The problem is that retailers aren’t figuring in the externals costs of plastic bags – and it seems like a lot of people here would prefer to ignore than there ever are external costs.

Please feel free to iterate the external costs. The reality is, it all depends on what happens to that plastic bag after its used…meaning education and better recycling options are probably a better solution than a ban and expecting people who already ride a bus to use food stamps to feed their family to buy a logo’d canvas bag.

But yeah, its not financially onerous.

[joev]

As a bus rider, I guarantee you than a $1 reusable bag holds up far better than a plastic bag on a commute. It’s also exponentially more comfortable to carry.

In the meantime, I won’t expect the complaining foot-draggers to stop complaining when we do enact a plastic bag ban. It’s going to happen.

[rus]

joev wrote:

As a bus rider, I guarantee you than a $1 reusable bag holds up far better than a plastic bag on a commute. It’s also exponentially more comfortable to carry.

In the meantime, I won’t expect the complaining foot-draggers to stop complaining when we do enact a plastic bag ban. It’s going to happen.

Do you really expect to convince people to change their behavior through arrogant scolding? Or do you just expect to use force to achieve your aims?

[joev]

Please demonstrate how ending plastic bags harms your freedom. #FakeLibertarianProblems.

[Schoolboy]

Everyone knows plastic will never ever deteriorate right? So unless incinerated or recycled, those plastic bags will always be here until the end of time.

Last I heard the world consumes 1 million plastic bags per minute.

That’s 525,949,000,000 per year.

It’s just a little on the ridiculous side of things. Make them at a minimum biodegradable. If we can’t manage that, then get rid of the damn things. I think we’ve advanced that much since World War II.

[rus]

joev wrote:

Please demonstrate how ending plastic bags harms your freedom. #FakeLibertarianProblems.

Oh, snarky hashtags? #howoriginal

Was commenting more on your writing style. Really, if Columbus were to ban plastic bags I’ll join Pez in shopping more in the suburbs. Not like I’m not out there anyway and really it’s not that big of a change.

Please continue, though. The more you talk the more company I’ll have outside of Columbus.

[Coremodels]

Schoolboy wrote:

Everyone knows plastic will never ever deteriorate right? So unless incinerated or recycled, those plastic bags will always be here until the end of time.

So why not a more active push for recycling instead of a ban?

[kit444]

Coremodels wrote:

The reality is, it all depends on what happens to that plastic bag after its used…meaning education and better recycling options are probably a better solution than a ban

+1

How does the bag compare to what it contains? What’s the biodegradability of the cans, jars, bags (bags inside bags, oh my) of the groceries themselves? I think encouraging recycling is a better option than an outright ban.

[pez]

rus wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>joev wrote:</div>

Really, if Columbus were to ban plastic bags I’ll join Pez in shopping more in the suburbs.

Feel free to hit me up, I’ll give you a personal tour of the Dublin Kroger Marketplace. If by chance Dublin jumps on the bandwagon, I’m also familiar with the Powell Kroger, although they don’t have price check scanners there and they don’t sell fresh sliced proscuitto in their deli.

[King Gambrinus]

I guess I don’t get the mindset that plastic bags are worth going out of your way for. Really, they’re that important? How much could your dog possibly shit that free plastic bags are the end all be all of freedom? I get the convenience factor, I’m guilty of it myself, I’ve got a closet full of these things, but I understand that they’re awful for the environment and it seems like a pretty easy sacrifice to make.

But that’s just my opinion. Maybe you make a living knitting the things into artisanal umbrellas or something.

[DC]

King Gambrinus wrote:

I guess I don’t get the mindset that plastic bags are worth going out of your way for. Really, they’re that important? How much could your dog possibly shit that free plastic bags are the end all be all of freedom? I get the convenience factor, I’m guilty of it myself, I’ve got a closet full of these things, but I understand that they’re awful for the environment and it seems like a pretty easy sacrifice to make.

But that’s just my opinion. Maybe you make a living knitting the things into artisanal umbrellas or something.

You just nailed it with good old-fashioned common sense and a little humor there at the end!

[Walker Evans]

King Gambrinus wrote:

But that’s just my opinion. Maybe you make a living knitting the things into artisanal umbrellas or something.

There is a woman at the Moonlight Market who turns them into handbags:

https://www.facebook.com/3RBags

[Alex Silbajoris]

I’m helping to organize a river cleanup around the confluence on April 20, let’s see what plastics we find.

[Coremodels]

Alex Silbajoris wrote:

I’m helping to organize a river cleanup around the confluence on April 20, let’s see what plastics we find.

Again though, you’re conflating littering and plastic bags. No one is suggesting we should be littering and its already “banned”.

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