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  • #1127131
    rus
    rus
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    but I have every expectation she would do a good job as president

    Why’s that? Take free trade. Which if these is a “good job”?

    Clinton reiterates opposition to Colombia trade

    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/09/nation/na-penn9

    as secretary of state, Clinton was personally lobbying Democratic members of Congress to support the deal

    http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-pushes-colombia-free-trade-agreement-latest-email-dump-2326068

    How about environmental issues?

    Clinton was seen as initially favoring construction of the keystone pipeline

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-finally-comes-out-against-keystone-pipeline

    but then:

    “I oppose [the pipeline] because I don’t think, I don’t think it’s in the best interest of what we need to do to combat climate change.”

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-finally-comes-out-against-keystone-pipeline

    Coal also:

    “…we’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business”

    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2016/03/13/full-rush-transcript-hillary-clinton-partcnn-tv-one-democratic-presidential-town-hall/

    or does she mean:

    “I’ve been talking about helping coal country for a very long time”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/05/03/no-hillary-did-not-apologize-for-bragging-about-putting-coal-miners-out-of-business/

    she says she wants to see coal “continued to be sold and continued to be mined.”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/clinton-flip-flops-on-coal-now-wants-coal-to-prosper/article/2002208

    Which of those is a “good job”? If all you’re looking for is management experience, Jeb Bush or Kaisich would fit that bill without the classified email scandal, Benghazi and all the rest. I don’t think you’d ever vote for either of them, though.

    I don’t see her as representing your views, as you’ve written about them here.

    #1127144

    Alex Silbajoris
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    Obviously the solution is a Clinton-Trump dream ticket. It would be like good cop/bad cop. Be nice to POTUS or she’ll set the VP on you. You think Biden is a loose cannon.

    Compare against the Lincoln administration:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_of_Rivals

    #1127154
    rus
    rus
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    Obviously the solution is a Clinton-Trump dream ticket.

    Why piss off half the country when you can get everyone with one shot?

    #1127189
    Chris Sunami
    Chris Sunami
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    If all you’re looking for is management experience, Jeb Bush or Kaisich would fit that bill without the classified email scandal, Benghazi and all the rest. I don’t think you’d ever vote for either of them, though.

    The irony is that at a time of life when I can definitely feel myself becoming more conservative, the “conservative” party has completely spun off the rails. A large portion of the traditional liberal agenda leaves me cold, but until the GOP stops pandering to the lowest common denominator, count me out.

    As far as Kasich, I haven’t been impressed by him as governor (I think he made some disastrous decisions early in his tenure), but based on the way he handled his campaign, I would have definitely given him consideration. But in case you haven’t noticed, he’s not in the race any more.

    I don’t see her as representing your views, as you’ve written about them here.

    No politician with any hope of winning has ever represented my views. At this point in life, I’m pragmatic enough to settle for someone who isn’t likely to completely wreck the country. I had my fill of a reckless, willfully ignorant chief executive with personal charisma and wealthy pals during the “W” years.

    #1127278
    rus
    rus
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    A large portion of the traditional liberal agenda leaves me cold, but until the GOP stops pandering to the lowest common denominator, count me out.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, that wasn’t “pandering to the lowest common denominator”. That’s a populist surge. Same thing the democrats are going through with Sanders.

    To the extent that Trump panders to the lowest common denominator, you can’t have missed the turmoil his political success has wrought inside the GOP. If the GOP was pandering with Trump, there wouldn’t have been such turmoil.

    Trump and Sanders both represent a rejection of the current system. They have some surprising policy similarities as well.

    http://reason.com/archives/2015/08/10/bernie-sanders-and-donald-trump-ties

    Sanders just got eaten up by the democrat machine. GOP tried that with Trump, but he got the better of them.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/18/msnbcs_mika_brzezinski_calls_for_dnc_chair_to_step_down_for_bias_against_sanders.html

    I don’t believe Trump, if elected, would wreck the country any more than Sanders would. We elect a president, not a king.

    Regardless of who wins, the populist surge isn’t going away.

    #1127294
    Chris Sunami
    Chris Sunami
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    To the extent that Trump panders to the lowest common denominator, you can’t have missed the turmoil his political success has wrought inside the GOP. If the GOP was pandering with Trump, there wouldn’t have been such turmoil.

    It’s because they pandered that they ended up with Trump.

    We elect a president, not a king.

    The common people have always some champion whom they adore and indulge… This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs. When he first pokes his head out above ground, he appears as the people’s “Protector.”… But how does a protector begin to change into a tyrant? It’s like the old fairy tale about the man who tasted human flesh, and turned into a wolf… And the people’s great protector is just the same. Once he has a mob on his side, he can’t be stopped from mayhem and murder.

    http://popculturephilosopher.com/democracy-loves-tyranny/

    #1127307
    Snarf
    Snarf
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    The DNC super delegates get to pick the winner of the general presidential election this year. They can pick Sanders or Trump. Either way, it’s really their choice, not ours.

    #1127309
    rus
    rus
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    The DNC super delegates get to pick the winner of the general presidential election this year. They can pick Sanders or Trump. Either way, it’s really their choice, not ours.

    True enough. The process they use has done well to alienate their populist surge.

    #1127313
    rus
    rus
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    It’s because they pandered that they ended up with Trump.

    We disagree, then. No surprise.

    As to inane rambling on a blog, that sounds just like what people said about Obama.

    #1127315

    joev
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    Hillary Clinton has earned 3 million more votes than Bernie Sanders. Saying the system is corrupt or doesn’t work at this point is whining, not fact.

    #1127320
    Snarf
    Snarf
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    She’s a great candidate if you love fracking and the TPP.

    #1127325

    joev
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    3 million more Democrats agree. Like the result or not, that’s now our democracy works.

    #1127338
    Snarf
    Snarf
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    There’s millions of willfully ignorant people out there, yay democracy is so cool.

    #1127344

    pedex
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    Hillary Clinton has earned 3 million more votes than Bernie Sanders. Saying the system is corrupt or doesn’t work at this point is whining, not fact.

    given how many failed or failing govt agencies including our elections system there are no it is a fact

    #1127346

    joev
    Participant

    Are you claiming that there were 3 million cases of voter fraud in the primaries? I get that you’re discontent with things as they are. The pace of change is slow. Things are changing for the better under Obama, and there is absolutely no reason to believe things wouldn’t keep improving under Clinton.

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