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It's not medical rationing

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  • #84083

    Tenzo
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    It’s finite resource allocation.

    Quote:
    The Clock Starts Ticking on Jan. 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ

    New medical regulations are starting this January 1.

    The video above will start in 2012.

    #410753

    The thing that freaks me out about this video isn’t the guy or his misleading information, its that probably a million viewers went “A-HA!”

    #410754

    Tenzo
    Participant

    yes. It’s special distressing that a large number of doctors will be quiting.

    #410755

    TaraK
    Participant

    The minute someone throws out “Obamacare,” they make it clear to me that they’re not presenting their information professionally or objectively, and thus I lose interest (which happened around 0:08).

    I strive to be informed, not manipulated or rallied.

    #410756

    AmyD
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    i agree TaraK

    #410757
    rus
    rus
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    TaraK wrote >>
    The minute someone throws out “Obamacare,” they make it clear to me that they’re not presenting their information professionally or objectively, and thus I lose interest (which happened around 0:08).
    I strive to be informed, not manipulated or rallied.

    I like the term “Obamacare”. Easily identifies the recent legislation and is less wordy than “health insurance reform”.

    #410758
    Snarf
    Snarf
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    rus wrote >>

    TaraK wrote >>
    The minute someone throws out “Obamacare,” they make it clear to me that they’re not presenting their information professionally or objectively, and thus I lose interest (which happened around 0:08).
    I strive to be informed, not manipulated or rallied.

    I like the term “Obamacare”. Easily identifies the recent legislation and is less wordy than “health insurance reform”.

    I like the term because it’s silly, like the president.

    #410759

    Tenzo
    Participant

    TaraK wrote >>
    The minute someone throws out “Obamacare,” they make it clear to me that they’re not presenting their information professionally or objectively, and thus I lose interest ……
    I strive to be informed.

    Did you stick your fingers in your ears and say; “nyaaaa nyaaa nyaaa, I can’t hear you”, when it got to something you didnt agree with?

    #410760

    columbusfoodie
    Participant

    While this is obvious propaganda against ObamaCare, Dr. Janda does make a valid point. Doctors (including mine) will be quitting in droves once this is fully implemented. My doctor has been practicing for 30-40 years, so he’s seen the bureaucracy of managed care from the very beginning. He already is prisoner to the insurance companies with regards to medical decisions he can make for me. Until recently, he was part owner (with the other doctors in the practice) of the practice, but when he saw this stuff coming down the pike they sold the practice to Mt. Carmel.

    Already, since the health care bill has been implemented, our costs for insurance have doubled (from ~$400/mo to almost $900 a month). Our new insurance company won’t pay a single claim unless I call them and rip them a new one, because one hand doesn’t know (or care) what the other hand is doing. I used to work for this particular insurer, and know their standard operating procedures inside and out. Still, at least once a week I’m on the phone for an hour plus trying to get a claim paid or their records updated to show I had creditable coverage so the pre-existing condition clause doesn’t apply, etc. Their latest trick is to send me letters to have doctors fill out to show that it isn’t a work injury, etc. Nevermind that these are doctors I’ve never met because their only function was that they were the radiologist that was reading/interpreting an x-ray.

    I know that I’m aggravated by the red tape and nonsense, and I know what I’m doing and understand everything that is going on. What about your average person who has no knowledge of how insurance works or what to say/do to get the problem resolved. When I did the job, there was a sense of ownership of our calls with myself and all of my coworkers. I’d bend the rules, take charge of getting stuff done directly instead of waiting/depending on someone else to do their job in another department, and even if I was on the phone for an hour or two with a single caller, I made sure that there was always first call resolution if possible. I ignored so many of CIGNA’s rules/chain of command that I should have been thrown out on my ass. But I got results, and at least to me, that’s what mattered. I don’t see that kind of dedication to the job from anyone I’ve talked to recently.

    I can understand that there is a need for access to health care. But I think it’s much easier to implement in the private sector – hospitals have charity care for those who can’t afford it. The need for preventative care could be taken care of if more free clinics were opened. There are no easy answers, but implementing an extremely flawed health care bill definitely wasn’t one. I see what happens when the government gets involved in health care (you guys have no idea how long it takes/how frustrating it is to deal with Medicare or Medicaid as a primary or secondary insurer). I just don’t think we have the infrastructure in place to implement universal health care. I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be a safety blanket for those who are uninsured/underinsured. Just that they should have done it right or not at all.

    Sorry for rambling on, just frustrated with my insurance company and their stupid tactics for not wanting to pay claims. I’m convinced that that is SOP these days – find a reason not to pay a claim and then hope that the subscriber accepts it and pays for it out of their own pockets. And in the interest of full disclosure: yes, I’m still a little bitter 5 years later that CIGNA laid off our entire office so they could outsource our jobs to Canada to someone who is making 1/3 of what I was making with no benefits.

    #410761

    SusanB
    Participant

    so they could outsource our jobs to Canada to someone who is making 1/3 of what I was making with no benefits.

    The reason they can do that is in Canada they all have single payer government health care. I know that a lot of you have heard what a nightmare Canadian care is but in my line of work I speak with a lot of Canadians and although they bitch about their health care none of them want to switch with us.

    #410762

    jimbach
    Participant

    Tenzo wrote >>

    TaraK wrote >>
    The minute someone throws out “Obamacare,” they make it clear to me that they’re not presenting their information professionally or objectively, and thus I lose interest ……
    I strive to be informed.

    Did you stick your fingers in your ears and say; “nyaaaa nyaaa nyaaa, I can’t hear you”, when it got to something you didnt agree with?

    Maybe she simply doesn’t want to waste her time with people who possess little or no original thought and merely regurgitate slogans and buzzwords?

    #410763

    jimbach
    Participant

    Tenzo wrote >>

    TaraK wrote >>
    The minute someone throws out “Obamacare,” they make it clear to me that they’re not presenting their information professionally or objectively, and thus I lose interest ……
    I strive to be informed.

    Did you stick your fingers in your ears and say; “nyaaaa nyaaa nyaaa, I can’t hear you”, when it got to something you didnt agree with?

    Maybe she simply doesn’t want to waste her time with people who possess little or no original thought and merely regurgitate slogans and buzzwords?

    #410764
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    jimbach wrote >>

    Tenzo wrote >>

    TaraK wrote >>
    The minute someone throws out “Obamacare,” they make it clear to me that they’re not presenting their information professionally or objectively, and thus I lose interest ……
    I strive to be informed.

    Did you stick your fingers in your ears and say; “nyaaaa nyaaa nyaaa, I can’t hear you”, when it got to something you didnt agree with?

    Maybe she simply doesn’t want to waste her time with people who possess little or no original thought and merely regurgitate slogans and buzzwords?

    That indicates operating from different initial premises.

    “Obmamacare” sounds as much like a slogan or buzzword as “Romneycare”. Both can be used by their opponents, sure, but they also serve to quickly identify the laws and regulations in question, yes?

    #410765

    Cookie
    Member

    rus wrote >>
    “Obmamacare” sounds as much like a slogan or buzzword as “Romneycare”. Both can be used by their opponents, sure, but they also serve to quickly identify the laws and regulations in question, yes?

    Yes, like death panels.

    #410766
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    Cookie wrote >>

    rus wrote >>
    “Obmamacare” sounds as much like a slogan or buzzword as “Romneycare”. Both can be used by their opponents, sure, but they also serve to quickly identify the laws and regulations in question, yes?

    Yes, like death panels.

    Explain to me how a deliberate distortion is the same as shorthand identification.

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