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Help me understand the hate for Mayor Coleman

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  • #278463

    Polis
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    I’m not really familiar with what components of the plan have been implemented, but I would think Capital Crossroads and CDDC are major players in this since they manage the SID among other things. It’s kind of strange the plan says the city embarked on a mission to revitalize Downtown in 2002 but the Capital Crossroads site kinda says they were the ones to do it, haha.

    #278464
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    It was certainly a collaborative effort with multiple organizations.

    I screwed up the HTML on the last post, but just fixed the link to the PDF:

    http://www.downtowncolumbus.com/publications/2002DTPlan_ExecSummary.pdf

    The plan basically laid all of the groundwork for Gay Street, Riversouth, Columbus Commons, Scioto Mile, and all of the condo development that occurred throughout Downtown.

    Essentially, everything was implemented from the plan except that the renovation of the City Center Mall took a different form, and the housing goal of 10,000 residents fell short due to the national recession and housing market collapse.

    #278465
    Chris Sunami
    Chris Sunami
    Participant

    Polis said:
    What I should say is I did not mean to define sprawl as having too much retail, but rather it seemed like cheap was referring to that issue.

    OK, got you.

    I haven’t lived in Columbus very long but from what I can tell looking at the land use changes over a few decades it’s apparent the council and mayor’s offices, for decades, have allowed sprawl to continue to this day.

    I don’t think you can appreciate the mayor unless you’ve lived in Columbus over the long term and seen what a difference his administration has made. Before him we had a string of mayors who seemed determined to privilege the suburbs over their own city. The strides this city has made during his term have been incredible.

    #278466

    cheap
    Member

    ChrisSunami said:
    Before him we had a string of mayors who seemed determined to privilege the suburbs over their own city. The strides this city has made during his term have been incredible.

    lmao,come on now.

    he’s no different at all.

    was Coleman mayor when city center was built?

    how about nationwide arena?

    Coleman is kissing ass with downtown because it’s got devellopers of sardine cans
    everywhere.
    in 5 years,it will be so frigging jammed downtown,you’ll be wanting to move to perimeter loop.lol

    #278467

    DavidF
    Participant

    cheap said:
    lmao,come on now.

    he’s no different at all.

    was Coleman mayor when city center was built?

    how about nationwide arena?

    Coleman is kissing ass with downtown because it’s got devellopers of sardine cans
    everywhere.
    in 5 years,it will be so frigging jammed downtown,you’ll be wanting to move to perimeter loop.lol

    We can only hope. That would be a huge success worth celebrating.

    #278468
    Tom Over
    Tom Over
    Participant

    Walker said:
    Greener grass.

    Less grass, more food gardens

    #278469
    Tom Over
    Tom Over
    Participant

    jbcmh81 said:
    Do you mention your ideas for sanctioned cannibalism on dates? Could explain a lot.

    How RUDE of you to suggest I’m THAT out of touch. For your information, I usually break the ice by reading aloud passages from The Humanure Handbook. An apology from you is in order.

    #278470

    sirlancelot
    Participant

    Hate Mayor Coleman? No. Over the past 20 years, I note that City Council is as much to blame for some of the boondoggles here. An example of bad choices or planning was the City Center Mall project. When Columbus permitted development of Easton, Tuttle Mall and Polaris, that effectively killed City Center and older, established malls.

    Just how many times does it take to install wheelchair accessible sidewalks downtown? How much money did Columbus pay to redo the SAME locations? As someone who walks to work, I counted, over a period of years, FIVE attempts at the SAME locations downtown. Usually, if the contractor screws up a project, they pay for the correction. In Chicago, this is called politics.

    I could go on. You can’t hate a mayor who tries to boost Columbus. Put much of the blame on a less than effective city council and a powerful elite that have their own agenda. Their agenda does not necessarily jive with ordinary citizens.

    #278471
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    sirlancelot said:
    Hate Mayor Coleman? No. Over the past 20 years, I note that City Council is as much to blame for some of the boondoggles here. An example of bad choices or planning was the City Center Mall project. When Columbus permitted development of Easton, Tuttle Mall and Polaris, that effectively killed City Center and older, established malls.

    If Columbus said NO to Tuttle, Easton and Polaris, then developers would have just built them right outside the city of Columbus in suburban cities or other municipalities. And then Columbus would not only have *still* lost the older malls, but also would not have any of the jobs or tax revenue of the newer developments.

    #278472

    cheap
    Member

    sirlancelot said:
    When Columbus permitted development of Easton, Tuttle Mall and Polaris, that effectively killed City Center and older, established malls.

    it was actually stupid for devellopers to build a mall downtown

    tuttle polaris and easton were all coming.

    sirlancelot said:
    I could go on. You can’t hate a mayor who tries to boost Columbus. Put much of the blame on a less than effective city council and a powerful elite that have their own agenda. Their agenda does not necessarily jive with ordinary citizens.

    agreed

    #278473

    GCrites80s
    Participant

    The mall industry knows that downtown malls generally don’t work. The construction of downtown malls was an experiment to see if shopping lost to the suburbs would return to downtown if the form and tenant mix from the suburbs was cloned. Attempts to turn urban areas suburban one fail due to disruption of the urban fabric and the different tastes of urban dwellers when compared with suburbanites.

    #278474
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    cheap said:
    it was actually stupid for devellopers to build a mall downtown. tuttle polaris and easton were all coming.

    You knew that in the mid-to-late-80s?

    Sounds like you’ve got an extreme case of acute hindsight.

    #278475
    Chris Sunami
    Chris Sunami
    Participant

    I don’t know if this is true or not, but I’d always heard that Wexner originally wanted to be in charge of developing a urban downtown mall, but when the city leadership of the time –pre Coleman –turned him down in favor of the City-Center suburban-style fortress, he went out and built the artificial downtown environment called Easton instead. Can anyone confirm or deny?

    #278476

    cheap
    Member

    Walker said:
    You knew that in the mid-to-late-80s?

    Sounds like you’ve got an extreme case of acute hindsight.

    anybody with half a brain would know things were blowing up in this town in the mid to late 80’s

    devellopers arent stupid,they know what other people have going on.

    the writing was on the wall.

    building a mall downtown was a sucker move,just like building an arena downtown after another one was already built a few miles away.

    by the way,why didn’t columbus city council just buy city center mall and give everybody a break on the rent?

    im sure closing city center cost Columbus over 500,000 jobs,if you go by Coleman’s method of counting jobs.

    #278477
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    cheap said:
    anybody with half a brain would know things were blowing up in this town in the mid to late 80’s

    That’s not what you said before. You said that “tuttle polaris and easton were all coming” at the time that City Center was being planned and built in the mid-to-late 80s, twenty full years prior.

    If you were referring to them specifically and just speaking in generalities, then yeah, you’re not really saying anything new. New stuff gets built given enough time. Bravo.

    I assume that by the same token you think that Northland, Westland, Southland and Eastland were all stupid for developers to build because they’ve eventually be replaced by something else. And that Tuttle, Easton and Polaris are all stupid because they’ll all eventually be replaced by something else. Everything is stupid, right?

    So tell us, oh wise one, what exact projects are developers planning on building in 2032, since you’re aware of these things 20 years out. I want to hear specifics.

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