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HEIST: Who Stole the American Dream? 8/28

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    lifeontwowheels
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    ToddAnders said:
    While I applaud your effort in making your own way, we disagree at a central point; we all need to work for what we want. You want more “support”, while I want more “get off your ass ness”.

    Because everyone on welfare or some type of assistance doesn’t want to work.

    #510126

    ToddAnders
    Blocked

    @Twixlen, good; so why give all your hard work away without someone else earning it? We all should work hard and be paid for our labors. But handouts at an unlimited basis have to stop.

    #510127

    ToddAnders
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    @ Life, if they don’t want to work, then they are screwed. No different from someone living under a bridge.

    You must EARN it.

    #510128

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    ToddAnders said:
    @ Life, if they don’t want to work, then they are screwed. No different from someone living under a bridge.

    You must EARN it.

    No, I’m just summing up your statement. You obviously believe that someone seeking or utilizing available social nets/assistance wants only that and aspires to nothing else.

    #510129

    ToddAnders
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    Please don’t sum up for me; I’ll help.

    If you need short term assistance, we got you for 3 months. If your a child or physically handicapped, we have you for longer.

    If not, get off your ass and find work. Believe me, I’ve been there, it works.

    #510130

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    ToddAnders said:
    Please don’t sum up for me; I’ll help.

    If you need short term assistance, we got you for 3 months. If your a child or physically handicapped, we have you for longer.

    If not, get off your ass and find work. Believe me, I’ve been there, [b]it works.[/b]

    For you. Again, way too simplistic and ignorant of reality.

    I’m all for reforms but damn if you guys don’t take it to the extreme.

    #510131

    ToddAnders
    Blocked

    Therefore, this does not become a generational lifestyle. More of a short term help. And it then helps all.

    #510132

    ToddAnders
    Blocked

    Awe, it’s SO complicated? How about this idea? If you receive assistance, then show up at 8am at _______ center, that has child care, and you can work for the city/state/etc…Painting, sweeping, picking up trash, whatever we need. I LIKE that, you?

    #510133
    rus
    rus
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    lifeontwowheels said:
    No, I’m just summing up your statement. You obviously believe that someone seeking or utilizing available social nets/assistance wants only that and aspires to nothing else.

    And of course no one at all ever fits that description.

    Or, maybe, both statements are true: Some people need temporary assistance, other people aspire to nothing else.

    And then there’s this:
    http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/american-welfare-state-how-we-spend-nearly-$1-trillion-year-fighting-poverty-fail

    Perhaps public spending isn’t the best way to reduce poverty.

    #510134

    lifeontwowheels
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    ToddAnders said:
    Awe, it’s SO complicated? How about this idea? If you receive assistance, then show up at 8am at _______ center, that has child care, and you can work for the city/state/etc…Painting, sweeping, picking up trash, whatever we need. I LIKE that, you?

    Actually, no.

    Does it take into account someone who may already have a minimum wage job or are attending some type of higher education/vocational training? Do these work camps supersede all else?

    Again, you imply that people on benefits do nothing which is false. I’m much more in favor of using education as a means to break the cycle and reform the social nets.

    #510135

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    rus said:
    And of course no one at all ever fits that description.

    Or, maybe, both statements are true: Some people need temporary assistance, other people aspire to nothing else.

    And then there’s this:
    http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/american-welfare-state-how-we-spend-nearly-$1-trillion-year-fighting-poverty-fail

    Perhaps public spending isn’t the best way to reduce poverty.

    I think there’s better ways but where do you start? You can’t just up and cut and take a hardline stance, as Todd seems to suggest. And I think a short term assistance mentality ignores larger realities. If someone is attempting to raise a kid and finish a degree, at whatever stage of life, 3 months won’t cut it.

    Part of the initial solution is to actually treat people with a sense of dignity and compassion. Quit treating poverty as a stigma and collectively associating an entire population with what may be a small minority.

    #510136

    ToddAnders
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    If you work and receive all the benefits, are you not milking the system? And they are not work camps but simply making you earn your benefits. Don’t you believe that benefits should be earned? Or, maybe, because you are born, you are deserving?

    #510137

    ToddAnders
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    Dignity are respect should not be given, but earned.

    #510138

    bjx
    Participant

    ToddAnders said:
    Awe, it’s SO complicated? How about this idea? If you receive assistance, then show up at 8am at _______ center, that has child care, and you can work for the city/state/etc…Painting, sweeping, picking up trash, whatever we need. I LIKE that, you?

    WOW! I can’t tell if you are serious or just an incredible troll. This line of thinking/reasoning is so antiquated I just can’t believe it to be genuine. Maybe I am overstating the issue, but something is deeply amiss in your worldview.

    Have you even watched the trailer for the movie HEIST? I’m quite sure this childlike solution was at least addressed in the movie (if just to make the documentary more complete). Earlier I used the phrase “lack of awareness” [b]Good Heavens![/b] That doesn’t begin to describe the divide in your lack of understanding of other peoples’ life experiences, maybe even the complexity of life itself.

    You won’t find any solutions on any forum. You need to read lots and lots and lots of books. Maybe go to the local branch of your taxpayer-supported public library and then start with the letter “A” (doesn’t matter what section).

    p.s. Great troll if so!

    #510139

    kit444
    Participant

    ToddAnders said:
    If you work and receive all the benefits, are you not milking the system?

    If you’re working a minimum wage job, or even two of them, you may not be able to make enough to make ends meet depending on your circumstances. You certainly can’t afford medical insurance and your employer in all likelihood doesn’t provide that benefit. We aren’t just talking about people who lack the “get off your ass” quality. Again, you make this grand assumption that is overly broad and mostly false.

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