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Marriage Equality, Same-Sex Marriage & LGBT Equality in Ohio

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  • #484148
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
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    bman said:
    Josh, is this the first time we have ever agreed on a topic? Heck at this rate, I might find common ground with Walker, Lifeon3wheels and a few other on here before long. lol

    I imagine we all agree on a lot of things. You just let one or two things stand in the way of seeing that. ;)

    #484149
    lazyfish
    lazyfish
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    I’m not sure one can correlate the gay marriage proposal with a loss for Obama. There is a excellent possibility that Obama can win Ohio and the marriage proposal will lose. The margin of victory for the homophobic elements seems to be the black vote in several key states (California) There have been some very interesting articles about the tension within black churches/communities on gay rights issues. Obama will still get 92% of the black vote but maybe only 35-40% of those voters will support marriage equality.

    #484150
    Josh Lapp
    Josh Lapp
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    Walker said:
    I imagine we all agree on a lot of things. You just let one or two things stand in the way of seeing that. ;)

    Well… I won’t absolve myself from blame, but I think the first part of what Walker said is correct! :)

    #484151

    bman
    Participant

    lazyfish said:
    I’m not sure one can correlate the gay marriage proposal with a loss for Obama. There is a excellent possibility that Obama can win Ohio and the marriage proposal will lose. The margin of victory for the homophobic elements seems to be the black vote in several key states (California) There have been some very interesting articles about the tension within black churches/communities on gay rights issues. Obama will still get 92% of the black vote but maybe only 35-40% of those voters will support marriage equality.

    Depends on how much turnout is driven up on the right based on this one issue.

    #484152

    bman
    Participant

    joshlapp said:
    Well… I won’t absolve myself from blame, but I think the first part of what Walker said is correct! :)

    I agree too …

    #484153
    Josh Lapp
    Josh Lapp
    Participant

    lazyfish said:
    I’m not sure one can correlate the gay marriage proposal with a loss for Obama. There is a excellent possibility that Obama can win Ohio and the marriage proposal will lose. The margin of victory for the homophobic elements seems to be the black vote in several key states (California) There have been some very interesting articles about the tension within black churches/communities on gay rights issues. Obama will still get 92% of the black vote but maybe only 35-40% of those voters will support marriage equality.

    I don’t know if anyone else finds this a bit ironic?

    #484154

    mwood
    Participant

    bman said:
    If they are going to do it 2013 or 2014 would be much better. This (2012) would more than likely cause trouble for the entire progressive ticket since it will definitely motivate the right wing to come out in vote.

    I think you could actually argue the exact opposite. The fundamentalists are already going to come out of the woodwork in 2012 to block Obama. If anything, the far-left progressives are likelier to sit this presidential election out. Personally, I have no plans to vote for Obama, but I would absolutely come out to vote for gay marriage.

    @jbcmh81:
    I absolutely agree that voting for rights is not the best way to go about this, but it is far better than nothing.

    #484155

    bman
    Participant

    mwood said:
    I think you could actually argue the exact opposite. The fundamentalists are already going to come out of the woodwork in 2012 to block Obama. If anything, the far-left progressives are likelier to sit this presidential election out. Personally, I have no plans to vote for Obama, but I would absolutely come out to vote for gay marriage.

    @jbcmh81:
    I absolutely agree that voting for rights is not the best way to go about this, but it is far better than nothing.

    If Romney is the nominee it could lower turnout but if you put gay marriage on the ballot during a Presidential election you’ll certainly increase conservative turnout and Obama will lose and equality will be setback.

    #484156

    joev
    Participant

    You don’t think a gay marriage initiative would increase youth turnout, even a little? I can not figure out why young people don’t vote.

    #484157

    bman
    Participant

    joev said:
    You don’t think a gay marriage initiative would increase youth turnout, even a little? I can not figure out why young people don’t vote.

    Voting is a pain in the ass for most young people. Easiest thing for young peeps to do is vote absentee. A lot of college students register one place then their credentials don’t match.

    #484158

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    joev said:
    You don’t think a gay marriage initiative would increase youth turnout, even a little? I can not figure out why young people don’t vote.

    joev said:
    You don’t think a gay marriage initiative would increase youth turnout, even a little? I can not figure out why young people don’t vote.

    Is there really any reason TO vote?

    #484159

    bman
    Participant

    -Nick- said:
    Is there really any reason TO vote?

    Elections always have consequences!

    #484160

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    bman said:
    Elections always have consequences!

    I haven’t seen any of them. At this rate, it doesn’t matter who gets elected…the situation isn’t going to change.

    Sure, I can see the viewpoint on smaller issues like school levies, gay marriage, and all that jazz, but even that is skewed by propagandist.

    For what it’s worth, I’d vote against the gay marriage thing(I don’t vote though so whatever)…not because I’m against the idea of the gays getting together…do what you please…but it really cracks me up that they are so fascinated with the idea of fighting christians for the sake of getting a christian acknowledged “marriage”…it’s quite ironic. Hell, I’m a straight atheist and I have no plans of getting married. I’m perfectly content with being in a 60 year long relationship…who cares what “slogan” you attach to it. It seems like an absolutely pointless and fruitless debate of “we’re going to fight this, just to fight this!!!”, but hey that’s just me.

    #484161
    Josh Lapp
    Josh Lapp
    Participant

    -Nick- said:
    I haven’t seen any of them. At this rate, it doesn’t matter who gets elected…the situation isn’t going to change.

    Sure, I can see the viewpoint on smaller issues like school levies, gay marriage, and all that jazz, but even that is skewed by propagandist.

    For what it’s worth, I’d vote against the gay marriage thing(I don’t vote though so whatever)…not because I’m against the idea of the gays getting together…do what you please…but it really cracks me up that they are so fascinated with the idea of fighting christians for the sake of getting a christian acknowledged “marriage”…it’s quite ironic. Hell, I’m a straight atheist and I have no plans of getting married. I’m perfectly content with being in a 60 year long relationship…who cares what “slogan” you attach to it. It seems like an absolutely pointless and fruitless debate of “we’re going to fight this, just to fight this!!!”, but hey that’s just me.

    Good thing you don’t vote.

    #484162

    bman
    Participant

    -Nick- said:
    I haven’t seen any of them. At this rate, it doesn’t matter who gets elected…the situation isn’t going to change.

    Sure, I can see the viewpoint on smaller issues like school levies, gay marriage, and all that jazz, but even that is skewed by propagandist.

    For what it’s worth, I’d vote against the gay marriage thing(I don’t vote though so whatever)…not because I’m against the idea of the gays getting together…do what you please…but it really cracks me up that they are so fascinated with the idea of fighting christians for the sake of getting a christian acknowledged “marriage”…it’s quite ironic. Hell, I’m a straight atheist and I have no plans of getting married. I’m perfectly content with being in a 60 year long relationship…who cares what “slogan” you attach to it. It seems like an absolutely pointless and fruitless debate of “we’re going to fight this, just to fight this!!!”, but hey that’s just me.

    There are legal and financial benefits that go with equality.
    Obviously you lack that understanding.

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