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Marriage Equality, Same-Sex Marriage & LGBT Equality in Ohio

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  • #90599

    News
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    Push for gay marriage proposal on Ohio ballot
    7:28 AM, Mar. 1, 2012
    From USA TODAY

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (WTW) — Backers of gay marriage in Ohio are taking another step to try to overturn the state’s constitutional ban enacted eight years ago. The Freedom to Marry Coalition planned to submit more than 1,700 signatures of registered Ohio voters Thursday to Attorney General Mike DeWine.

    READ MORE: http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/usatoday/article/38699593?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFrontpage%7Cp

    #484134

    News
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    Same-Sex Marriage Supporters Calling For Constitutional Change
    Thursday March 1, 2012 6:32 PM

    COLUMBUS, Ohio – Supporters of same-sex marriage dropped off nearly 1,800 signatures to the Ohio Attorney General’s Office on Thursday as a first step in changing Ohio’s Constitution. Ohio voters approved the state’s same-sex marriage ban in 2004, 10TV’s Danielle Elias reported. “We had to leave the country we love to be married,” said Ian James of Freedom to Marry Ohio.

    READ MORE: http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2012/03/01/columbus-same-sex-marriage-supporters-calling-for-constitutional-change.html

    #484135

    CbusIslander
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    Unfortunately, if this does get placed on the fall ballot, Obama will lose the state of Ohio. The same issue in 2004 more than likely lead George Bush to a second term. There is too many rural, older generation Ohioans that will never pushed this through. Now maybe in 20 years when the older conservation generation in this state passes away and Ohio gets a migration of lots of young people this will eventually be reality.

    #484136
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
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    CbusIslander said:
    Now maybe in 20 years when the older conservation generation in this state passes away and Ohio gets a migration of lots of young people this will eventually be reality.

    If it takes 20 years for a generational changeover, doesn’t that mean there’s been a 20% changeover in the past 4 years? Perhaps that’s enough progress?

    #484137

    CbusIslander
    Participant

    Walker said:
    If it takes 20 years for a generational changeover, doesn’t that mean there’s been a 20% changeover in the past 4 years? Perhaps that’s enough progress?

    How close was that issue in 2004?, 70/30?, 65/35?, and unfortunately like I have said it will take death of the old or a large migration to change that so basically 20 years. That isn’t as bad as Utah a given 100+ years. If the GOP wins this fall count out all the progress the few states have made recently out the window. So this issue would be invalid anyways.

    #484138

    bman
    Participant

    As a gay man, Ohio is not ready for this vote yet. If it is defeated (gay marriage continued to be unconstitutional) it will be deemed a huge win for the conservatives and a monumental pronouncement about what America thinks on the issue of gay marriage. I think this needs to wait a few more years. California was not able to pass it, Ohio is not ready yet. Not my call though!

    #484139

    cheap
    Member

    CbusIslander said:
    Now maybe in 20 years when the older conservation generation in this state passes away and Ohio gets a migration of lots of young people this will eventually be reality.

    the young people you speak of are being raised by the previous generation

    you’re assuming young people 20 years from now will have the same views as you.

    that’s a huge mistake.

    #484140

    jbcmh81
    Participant

    I saw a chart recently that showed how support for all states changed from 1994 to 2008. In Ohio in 1994, support was about 25%. In 2004, it was about 32%-33%, and in 2008 it was about 40%-41%. What this tells me is that support grew faster from 2004-2008 than in the previous 10 years. Support is definitely growing, even accelerating, and this was explicitly in support for gay marriage, not civil unions, which I would imagine would have even more support.

    #484141

    jbcmh81
    Participant

    bman said:
    As a gay man, Ohio is not ready for this vote yet. If it is defeated (gay marriage continued to be unconstitutional) it will be deemed a huge win for the conservatives and a monumental pronouncement about what America thinks on the issue of gay marriage. I think this needs to wait a few more years. California was not able to pass it, Ohio is not ready yet. Not my call though!

    California was not able to, but Iowa was, and it had lower support at the time than Ohio did. Honestly, I tend to believe that it will be ruled unconstitutional on the national scale before Ohio approves it, though.

    #484142

    CbusIslander
    Participant

    cheap said:
    the young people you speak of are being raised by the previous generation

    you’re assuming young people 20 years from now will have the same views as you.

    that’s a huge mistake.

    I would make a generalization that each passing generation comes a better understanding of diversity and life situations. I expect that the young people 20 years from now will accept differences far better than today. From what I witnessed in the views of each generation in my own family the younger you go the more accepting each become. With english becoming a second language, to minority groups becoming larger, I expect in 20 years Ohio and a majority of the country eventually accepting single sex marriages.

    #484143

    lakeerietransplant
    Participant

    jbcmh81 said:
    California was not able to, but Iowa was, and it had lower support at the time than Ohio did. Honestly, I tend to believe that it will be ruled unconstitutional on the national scale before Ohio approves it, though.

    Iowa had it rammed through the courts; if there was a statewide vote I would bet that it would be banned.

    #484144

    bman
    Participant

    Civil Rights should not be subject to a vote of the people, rights are guaranteed by the constitution and bill of rights. Should the rights of black people been subject to a vote of the masses in the 1960’s? Should the right of women to vote been a vote of the elgible voters at the time (all men).

    America is fucked up on this topic … the courts should resolve this issue. Either LGBTQ people have the same rights as everyone else or we don’t … lets decide this legally in the courts.

    edit: Core, I don’t usually use the LGBTQ abbreviation but did for you since you commented about it. lol

    #484145
    Josh Lapp
    Josh Lapp
    Participant

    bman said:
    Civil Rights should not be subject to a vote of the people, rights are guaranteed by the constitution and bill of rights. Should the rights of black people been subject to a vote of the masses in the 1960’s? Should the right of women to vote been a vote of the elgible voters at the time (all men).

    America is fucked up on this topic … the courts should resolve this issue. Either LGBTQ people have the same rights as everyone else or we don’t … lets decide this legally in the courts.

    edit: Core, I don’t usually use the LGBTQ abbreviation but did for you since you commented about it. lol

    I totally agree with bman. I wouldn’t mind seeing it on the ballot but certainly not this election year. I believe that the article said it would either be on the november ballot or in 2013. I’m guessing they will be compelled to move it to 2013.

    I know failure would look bad, but how many times was the casino put on the ballot before it passed. Hopefully the courts will take it up but if not I guess we can just put it on the ballot until it passes. Besides, the gay rights campaign has gotten incredibly better in the last couple years. I can’t wait to see the commercials.

    #484146

    bman
    Participant

    joshlapp said:
    I totally agree with bman. I wouldn’t mind seeing it on the ballot but certainly not this election year. I believe that the article said it would either be on the november ballot or in 2013. I’m guessing they will be compelled to move it to 2013.

    I know failure would look bad, but how many times was the casino put on the ballot before it passed. Hopefully the courts will take it up but if not I guess we can just put it on the ballot until it passes. Besides, the gay rights campaign has gotten incredibly better in the last couple years. I can’t wait to see the commercials.

    If they are going to do it 2013 or 2014 would be much better. This (2012) would more than likely cause trouble for the entire progressive ticket since it will definitely motivate the right wing to come out in vote.

    We, the gay community, need to think much more politically and intelligently and try to leave some emotion out of this issue as it relates to accomplishing our goal of equality. It is ok to be emotional about this issue, you just gotta remember to control it and make sound decisions. I hope they do …

    Josh, is this the first time we have ever agreed on a topic? Heck at this rate, I might find common ground with Walker, Lifeon3wheels and a few other on here before long. lol

    #484147

    jbcmh81
    Participant

    lakeerietransplant said:
    Iowa had it rammed through the courts; if there was a statewide vote I would bet that it would be banned.

    That’s just it, though. All these popular votes should not even be taking place. Mob rule should not play a part in equality. It never has. It wasn’t the people who supported interracial marriage or desegregation, it had to be forced through by courts, etc. Even if the vote passed again in Ohio, it means very little as to whether or not it will ultimately be ruled against on the national level.

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