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  • #1034970
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
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    If you can’t see a difference between “the police did nothing wrong” and “lets wait for the investigation results, especially since the FBI is now involved” then you’re either deliberately obtuse or simply ignorant.

    The police have confirmed that he died of multiple gunshot wounds sustained on the street (not in the car during some struggle for the gun) and 3 witnesses have stated at the time he was killed he was apart from the officer with his hands raised (after being fired upon while fleeing).

    There is no timeline that makes that a justified shooting.

    #1034973
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
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    Oh…and P.S.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/

    However, in an afternoon press conference by Ferguson, Mo. Police Chief Thomas Jackson, said the two incidents were not related. He said Wilson did not know about the robbery when he confronted and then shot Brown,

    #1034974
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    The police have confirmed that he died of multiple gunshot wounds sustained on the street (not in the car during some struggle for the gun) and 3 witnesses have stated at the time he was killed he was apart from the officer with his hands raised (after being fired upon while fleeing).

    Wait, since when? Where’s the autopsy report? The forensics report? Where’s the results of the FBI’s investigation?

    I’ve seen some news reports that have said that he died in the street, but was shot in the cruiser. Others that he was killed outside of the cruiser.

    I’ve zero problem with prosecuting the cop for murder if the events support it.

    #1035029
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    http://mashable.com/2014/08/16/police-protesters-ferguson/

    FERGUSON, Mo. — Anger spurred by the death of black teenager Michael Brown at the hands of a white police officer boiled over again when protesters stormed into a Missouri convenience store — the same store that Brown was accused of robbing.

    Police and about 200 protesters clashed in Ferguson, Missouri, late Friday after another tense day in the St. Louis suburb, a day that included authorities identifying the officer who fatally shot Brown on Aug. 9. At the same news conference in which officer Darren Wilson was named, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson released documents alleging that Brown stole a $48.99 box of cigars from a convenience store called Ferguson Market and Liquor, then strong-armed a man on his way out.

    Just before midnight, some in what had been a large and rowdy but mostly well-behaved crowd broke into that same small store, and began looting it, according to Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson. Some in the crowd began throwing rocks and other objects at police, Johnson said. One officer was hurt, but details on the injury were not immediately available. Johnson added that police backed off to try and ease the tension. He believes looting may have spread to a couple of nearby stores. No arrests were made.

    #1035031
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    The police have confirmed that he died of multiple gunshot wounds sustained on the street (not in the car during some struggle for the gun) and 3 witnesses have stated at the time he was killed he was apart from the officer with his hands raised (after being fired upon while fleeing).

    There is no timeline that makes that a justified shooting.

    http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/15/missouris-standard-for-use-of-deadly-for

    Here’s the legalese:

    3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only

    (1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or

    (2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested

    (a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or

    (b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or

    (c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.

    4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.

    (Via Sean Davis.)

    So, the suspect doesn’t have to be armed, and doesn’t even have to present an immediate threat. Instead, if an officer believes that there’s no other way to make the arrest happen, and also believes that the suspect has attempted to commit a felony, the officer is justified in using deadly force. If a cop wants to arrest someone, and has a “reasonable” belief that the person has even tried to commit a felony, he or she is allowed to kill.

    That seems like a rather lax standard, and one that would give a pass to practically any arresting officer who could plausibly claim to have believed that the suspect had attempted or committed a felony offense.

    Assault on a law enforcement officer, with or without a weapon, is a felony in Missouri.

    Given that the cop reported that Brown assaulted him and he was treated for his injury, then it’s possible he could claim deadly force was necessary to effect an arrest, which would be legal.

    Doesn’t mean the cop won’t be fired for violating department procedure ( although I doubt that ) or won’t face charges for civil rights violations.

    #1035032
    rus
    rus
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    citation for the definition of assault on a law enforcement officer, since for some reason I couldn’t include it in the previous post without CU eating it:

    http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5650000082.htm

    Assault of a law enforcement officer, corrections officer, emergency personnel, highway worker, utility worker, cable worker, or probation and parole officer in the second degree, definition, penalty.

    565.082. 1. A person commits the crime of assault of a law enforcement officer, corrections officer, emergency personnel, highway worker in a construction zone or work zone, utility worker, cable worker, or probation and parole officer in the second degree if such person:

    (1) Knowingly causes or attempts to cause physical injury to a law enforcement officer, corrections officer, emergency personnel, highway worker in a construction zone or work zone, utility worker, cable worker, or probation and parole officer by means of a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument;

    (2) Knowingly causes or attempts to cause physical injury to a law enforcement officer, corrections officer, emergency personnel, highway worker in a construction zone or work zone, utility worker, cable worker, or probation and parole officer by means other than a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument;

    7. Assault of a law enforcement officer, corrections officer, emergency personnel, highway worker in a construction zone or work zone, utility worker, cable worker, or probation and parole officer in the second degree is a class B felony unless committed pursuant to subdivision (2), (5), (6), or (7) of subsection 1 of this section in which case it is a class C felony. For any violation of subdivision (1), (3), or (4) of subsection 1 of this section, the defendant must serve mandatory jail time as part of his or her sentence.

    #1035033

    Coy
    Participant
    #1035208

    News
    Participant

    Report: Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Hit At Least 6 Times
    by STEVE MULLIS
    August 17, 2014 11:33 PM ET

    A preliminary private autopsy performed by Dr. Michael Baden shows that Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager killed by a police officer in Ferguson, Mo., was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, reports the New York Times.

    READ MORE: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/08/17/341232514/report-autopsy-show-michael-brown-hit-at-least-6-times

    #1035240
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/18/gov-nixon-directs-national-guard-to-ferguson/

    Early Monday morning, Nixon’s office released the following statement:

    “Tonight, a day of hope, prayers, and peaceful protests was marred by the violent criminal acts of an organized and growing number of individuals, many from outside the community and state, whose actions are putting the residents and businesses of Ferguson at risk. I join the people of Ferguson, and all Missourians, in strongly condemning this criminal activity that included firing upon law enforcement officers, shooting a civilian, throwing Molotov cocktails, looting, and a coordinated attempt to block roads and overrun the Unified Command Center. These violent acts are a disservice to the family of Michael Brown and his memory, and to the people of this community who yearn for justice to be served, and to feel safe in their own homes. Given these deliberate, coordinated and intensifying violent attacks on lives and property in Ferguson, I am directing the highly capable men and women of the Missouri National Guard to assist Colonel Ron Replogle and the Unified Command in restoring peace and order to this community.”

    #1035241
    Snarf
    Snarf
    Participant

    You can’t loot and riot your way to equality.

    #1035243
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
    Participant

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Coremodels wrote:</div>
    The police have confirmed that he died of multiple gunshot wounds sustained on the street (not in the car during some struggle for the gun) and 3 witnesses have stated at the time he was killed he was apart from the officer with his hands raised (after being fired upon while fleeing).

    There is no timeline that makes that a justified shooting.

    http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/15/missouris-standard-for-use-of-deadly-for

    Here’s the legalese:

    3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only

    (1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or

    (2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested

    (a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or

    (b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or

    (c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.

    4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.

    (Via Sean Davis.)

    So, the suspect doesn’t have to be armed, and doesn’t even have to present an immediate threat. Instead, if an officer believes that there’s no other way to make the arrest happen, and also believes that the suspect has attempted to commit a felony, the officer is justified in using deadly force. If a cop wants to arrest someone, and has a “reasonable” belief that the person has even tried to commit a felony, he or she is allowed to kill.

    That seems like a rather lax standard, and one that would give a pass to practically any arresting officer who could plausibly claim to have believed that the suspect had attempted or committed a felony offense.

    Assault on a law enforcement officer, with or without a weapon, is a felony in Missouri.

    Given that the cop reported that Brown assaulted him and he was treated for his injury, then it’s possible he could claim deadly force was necessary to effect an arrest, which would be legal.

    Doesn’t mean the cop won’t be fired for violating department procedure ( although I doubt that ) or won’t face charges for civil rights violations.

    Did someone suggest that assaulting an officer wasn’t a felony or grounds for the officer to defend himself?

    No.

    Shooting him at least six times, including one on top of the skull, leaving no powder burns or gunshot residue on the wounds, and the 3 eye witnesses who state he shot him in the street while no confrontation was still taking place.

    That’s the issue here.

    I’m glad you’ve reserved your outrage for property damage and theft in the wake of the incident, while maintaining your skepticism regarding the murder though. Seems about par for the course.

    #1035244

    Alex Silbajoris
    Participant

    Every once in a while, the Frank Zappa song More Trouble Every Day comes true again.

    #1035250
    ColumbusTime
    ColumbusTime
    Participant
    #1035251
    ColumbusTime
    ColumbusTime
    Participant

    Media at work.

    justice reporter

    #1035256
    rus
    rus
    Participant

    Did someone suggest that assaulting an officer wasn’t a felony or grounds for the officer to defend himself?

    No.

    Shooting him at least six times, including one on top of the skull, leaving no powder burns or gunshot residue on the wounds, and the 3 eye witnesses who state he shot him in the street while no confrontation was still taking place.

    That’s the issue here.

    I’m glad you’ve reserved your outrage for property damage and theft in the wake of the incident, while maintaining your skepticism regarding the murder though. Seems about par for the course.

    Per that bit of legalese, it appears it’s perfectly legal to use lethal force to effect an arrest for a felony, such as assaulting an officer, not even considering self defense. You said there was no way this could be legal; there’s a way it could be.

    The top of the skull shot is interesting though, you’re right. Brown had to be facing the cop head down for that to happen, which is consistent with all other shots which were from the front. Brown wasn’t shot in the back as some witnesses reported.

    Clothing wasn’t tested for GSR yet, so that’s neither here nor there. Again, if it was unjustified prosecute the cop but to do that there must be an investigation. Unless you’d rather just form a lynch mob, I suppose.

    Apparently in your world the proper response to a police shooting is to burn down your own neighborhood, claim the video of Brown robbing a convenience store and assaulting a clerk was photoshopped then loot and torch the same convenience store, then continue to loot and burn more stores in the same neighborhood.

    http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2014/08/18/14219743/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatodaycomnation-topstories

    News media being especially “helpful” ( these are ear plugs ):

    These are from last night:

    Peaceful protest is one thing. Looting something else.

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