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  • #354187

    pilsner
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    Just listened to the podcast of All Sides with O’Grady and Coleman Chief of Staff. They twist themselves in pretzels rationalizing the bailout.

    How exactly are all the Arena District office jobs put in jeopardy if Columbus lost the Blue Jackets?

    Look, everyone who bought into the Arena District knew damn well there was another 20,000 seat arena (OSU’s Schottenstein Arena) just five miles north of Nationwide Arena and that this town probably couldn’t support two major arenas over the long haul.

    #354188

    Static-X
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    Millions and millions of dollars from Penn-Nat + The best roster in Blue Jackets history = 0-6-1 Maybe Karma is a bitch.

    #354189

    brothermarcus
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    0-7-1 now… tough times for the folks cold-calling trying to give us a “great deal” on cbj ticket packages. I can’t even stomach our defense on television right now, was painful enough to listen to the Ottawa game on the radio tonight while driving.

    #354190

    pilsner
    Participant

    Attendance for Tuesday, 11/15/11 loss to the Wild: 10,833.

    My wife said that the CBJ gave a few hundred FREE tickets to be passed out at the school district she works at. They must have passed out thousands of free tickets around town and could still barely fill the arena up half-way.

    This is truly pathetic for a supposed Major League team. A ticket to a minor league Chill game at the Fairgrounds 20 years ago had more value than a ticket to a CBJ loss game.

    Yet, the taxpayers will be stuck with Nationwide Arena becuz the bailout is being pushed through. Just wait for the next CBJ owner to blackmail the county/city in a few years for yet another bailout or the team will be moved. It really is hockey terrorism—-“give us millions more or we’ll blow up your Arena District.”

    #354191

    pilsner
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    Columbus 27th in attendance out of 30 teams so far this 2011-2012 season (13,246) even though the CBJ is handing out free tickets for games.

    http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

    #354192

    pilsner
    Participant

    Columbus water and sewer rates are gonna go up 5% (and have doubled since 2004).

    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/11/15/water-bills.html

    Here’s an idea, why not use the casino tax windfall for sewer and water infrastructure and to keep rate increases from exploding rather than for giving 3 or 4 of the richest families in Columbus a huge bailout (Wolfes, McConnells, Pizuttis) and richest company in town (Nationwide Insurance)?

    Is this the Twilight Zone? Has this town been hypnotized?

    #354193
    Snarf
    Snarf
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    Cooper Park > Blue Jackets

    #354194
    murfmurphy
    murfmurphy
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    Losing the Blue Jackets won’t kill the arena, or the arena district. If you look around to some of the most profitable arenas in the country you will see that there are many that don’t have an NBA or NHL team attached to it. This is accomplished because the arenas can bring in more acts and events. because they aren’t saddled with one or two tenants tying up 50-70 days per year (more if a city has a basketball and hockey team).
    Profits can also be had by putting a quality product on the ice. The Blue Jackets have money problems because they are bad, good teams fill seats and coffers. The current management has gone out and paid for names, but the team is still underperforming. No city has ever not supported a team that was winning, at least in the big 4. If the Blue Jakcets were winning people would go, and they would make money.

    #354195

    columbusmike
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    pilsner said:
    Columbus water and sewer rates are gonna go up 5% (and have doubled since 2004).

    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/11/15/water-bills.html

    Here’s an idea, why not use the casino tax windfall for sewer and water infrastructure and to keep rate increases from exploding rather than for giving 3 or 4 of the richest families in Columbus a huge bailout (Wolfes, McConnells, Pizuttis) and richest company in town (Nationwide Insurance)?

    Is this the Twilight Zone? Has this town been hypnotized?

    Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

    The arena purchase money didn’t go to the Wolfes, McConnells, Pizuttis, or Nationwides. The money went towards purchasing the building (at a much lower cost than it cost to build the arena) and negotiated a better lease with CBJ. You don’t have to agree with the purchase, but to say they gave money to the “richest families in Columbus” is a tad on the crazy side.

    #354196

    cheap
    Member

    columbusmike said:
    Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

    The arena purchase money didn’t go to the Wolfes, McConnells, Pizuttis, or Nationwides. The money went towards purchasing the building (at a much lower cost than it cost to build the arena) and negotiated a better lease with CBJ. You don’t have to agree with the purchase, but to say they gave money to the “richest families in Columbus” is a tad on the crazy side.

    the arena was purchased for the sole purpose to provide the owners of the bluejackets a better leasing arrangement(at a much lower cost).

    now,who owns the bluejackets?poor people??

    #354197

    pilsner
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    columbusmike said:
    Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

    The arena purchase money didn’t go to the Wolfes, McConnells, Pizuttis, or Nationwides. The money went towards purchasing the building (at a much lower cost than it cost to build the arena) and negotiated a better lease with CBJ. You don’t have to agree with the purchase, but to say they gave money to the “richest families in Columbus” is a tad on the crazy side.

    The taxpayers are taking on liabilities from the bailout that benefit Nationwide, McConnell, and Wolfes. Why should taxpayers be expected to provide free rent to the business owned by the fat cats? Free rent is like getting free money, columbusmike.

    #354198

    columbusmike
    Participant

    pilsner said:
    The taxpayers are taking on liabilities from the bailout that benefit Nationwide, McConnell, and Wolfes. Why should taxpayers be expected to provide free rent to the business owned by the fat cats? Free rent is like getting free money, columbusmike.

    Umm, Nationwide lost a lot of money building the arena (over $150 million) and then selling it to Columbus below cost (about $42 million I believe?), plus now they must pay naming rights. I’m not arguing whether or not it was a good idea to purchase the arena, I’m just saying your argument that this was a bailout for some rich hats in Columbus is baseless.

    #354199

    pilsner
    Participant

    Yeah Mike, I suppose corporate welfare is probably more accurate than calling it a bailout.

    Here’s what McConnell, Wolfe and Nationwide are doing by ramming the arena deal through—-internalizing profits and revenue streams and also socializing some of their liabilities and losses.

    Let’s say the Blue Jackets’ attendance keeps sucking and they end up leaving town five years from now. The city and county will be stuck with a huge liablity. Vets Memorial loses money for the County but the Arena would lose a ton more w/o a franchise.

    Public/private partnerships always end up with the private company reaping all the revenue/profits and the taxpayers stuck with all the losses/liablities. Besides that their kinda fascist in a Mussolini way.

    #354200
    murfmurphy
    murfmurphy
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    href=”https://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/empty-seats-at-blue-jacket-games/page/8#post-403468″>said:

    Let’s say the Blue Jackets’ attendance keeps sucking and they end up leaving town five years from now. The city and county will be stuck with a huge liablity. Vets Memorial loses money for the County but the Arena would lose a ton more w/o a franchise.

    Are you even paying attention to anyone else in this thread?

    The arena wouldn’t be a libility if they lose the Blue Jackets. The arena is a liability with a bad Blue Jackets team as it’s cornerstone resident. I’m including a link to an article about the arenas in Kansas City and Tulsa. Two cities without major pro sports teams, and two arenas that are generating profit for the cities they are in. When you don’t have a lockdown tenant you don’t have to share as much parking revenue, ticket revenue or concession revenue. Which means more money for the owner of the building AKA the city. The bad Blue Jackets team is the worst case scenario for the arena, not them leaving. If the Jackets leave town, that leaves more dates available for concerts, circus, disney on ice, rodeo’s or any other arena dependent event that happens. It leaves time for these profitable events to set up and tear down without a sports team breathing down their neck about their game the next night. It also leaves the Schottenstein center available to host more OSU specific events, and drives people to the arena district to spend their money in restaurants and bars before their events.

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    #354201

    pilsner
    Participant

    Interesting points Murph, but KC and Tulsa probably don’t have two 20,000 seat arenas five miles apart. It’s pretty obvious two arenas can’t be kept profitable in Columbus, with or w/o pro sports.

    OSU ain’t gonna just reserve Value City Arena for just college sports. OSU needs revenue from concerts and Monster Truck shows to pay off bonds that built Value City.

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