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    Kasich backs drug tests to get welfare

    By Joe Hallett

    Columbus Dispatch

    Friday May 18, 2012 5:15 AM

    Gov. John Kasich affirmed his support yesterday for a pilot program to drug-test some Ohio welfare recipients before they receive benefits, countering objections from critics that such a move would be discriminatory and punitive.

    READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/05/18/kasich-backs-drug-tests-to-get-welfare.html

    #496943
    Snarf
    Snarf
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    It worked so well in Florida!

    #496944

    SusanB
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    Can we drug test the politicians too? What’s good for the goose….

    #496945

    DavidF
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    Red meat for the fringies. Doesn’t achieve anything positive. Increases costs for the state and misery for the people.

    Funny how these things always pop up in election years. Surely not a misdirection play?

    #496946
    Snarf
    Snarf
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    End the drug war. Legalize and regulate marijuana like alcohol. Stop locking away non violent drug offenders. Etc.

    #496947

    News
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    #496948

    pedex
    Participant

    SusanB said:
    Can we drug test the politicians too? What’s good for the goose….

    nope

    that precedent has already been ruled on in court in north or south carolina IIRC, legislators are not subject nor can they be due to lack of probable cause basically

    #496949

    jimbach
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    I’m all for it, provided I get to define what is “welfare.”

    #496950

    Twixlen
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    pedex said:
    nope

    that precedent has already been ruled on in court in north or south carolina IIRC, legislators are not subject nor can they be due to lack of probable cause basically

    Just like the testing of welfare recipients has already been ruled unconstitutional in MI – that hasn’t stopped any other states from trying to fling it through the gates.

    It’s a ridiculous idea. The percentage of people involved is miniscule, the cost to the state is pretty huge, and the difference it makes is nil. It doesn’t help people. All it does is add an additional layer of shame to people who’re already in some pretty crappy straights.

    If anyone should be tested, it’s bankers/traders/funders. The cocaine use in those places is off the chain.

    #496951

    cheap
    Member

    i hope this includes food stamp recipients.

    #496952
    Snarf
    Snarf
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    Twixlen said:
    Just like the testing of welfare recipients has already been ruled unconstitutional in MI – that hasn’t stopped any other states from trying to fling it through the gates.

    It’s a ridiculous idea. The percentage of people involved is miniscule, the cost to the state is pretty huge, and the difference it makes is nil. It doesn’t help people. All it does is add an additional layer of shame to people who’re already in some pretty crappy straights.

    If anyone should be tested, it’s bankers/traders/funders. The cocaine use in those places is off the chain.

    Ironically the drug cocaine stays in your system for only a few days while the plant (not drug) marijuana 30+.

    #496953

    Twixlen
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    Snarf said:
    Ironically the drug cocaine stays in your system for only a few days while the plant (not drug) marijuana 30+.

    Even more ironically, alcohol isn’t illegal (thank goodness) and it’s the most devastating of all.

    #496954

    Rockmastermike
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    Regardless of where a person falls on the political spectrum, there is something here for everyone to hate.

    for those of you on the right:

    1) This experiment failed in the one place we have good data for (Florida). It ended up costing more money than it saved. Google it.

    2) This is throwing money at solving a perceived problem that may or may not exist while subtracting resources (lawmaker time, bureaucratic resources, direct expenses, etc) from problems that should actually be addressed, such as food stamp diversion to alcohol and fraudulent claims.

    for the folks on the left:
    … screw it, just re-read what twixlen and snarf said. Good enough.

    This is transparently just bullshit to score bullshit political points and absolutely nothing more.

    #496955

    Rockmastermike
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    Snarf said:
    Ironically the drug cocaine stays in your system for only a few days while the plant (not drug) marijuana 30+.

    In a perfect world we would surprise-test for coke all the banking douchebags who got TARP money back in ’08 and ’09 and sue for triple repayment if they piss dirty.

    #496957

    Oak
    Participant

    Let me play devil’s advocate for just a hot second – supposed there is some good unintended consequences to this whole scenario.
    What if they drug test welfare recipients and the tests show that in fact in Ohio there are very few people who are on drugs and on welfare. This in turn causes people to embrace social services because the urban myth of welfare druggies is gone.
    With this new appreciation for social welfare, the general public starts to support it more and it’s no longer a sacrificial lamb in budget debates.
    Additionally, those people who do come up positive for drugs are able to be referred to an agency that can help them deal with their substance abuse problem.
    Why can’t this be a possible outcome? Why is the portrayal of this “Rich old white men making poor blacks pee in cups?”.
    I think there is a valid urban myth that all people on welfare are drug addicts and that any research done in Ohio to create empirical data to prove one way or the other beneficial.
    For full transparency – my sister happens to be a drug addicted welfare recipient. She’s completely hooked on prescription pills. I’d appreciate help from the state to get her clean so she can take care of her kids. My family has tried and nothing has worked because she keeps getting food stamps, cash and a roof over her head after we tried to cut her off. She couldn’t afford food or diapers, but she always had her pills and beer.

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