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Downtown 2010 Plan Idea #6 - Bus Transit Station

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  • #361846

    futureman
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    Walker wrote >>
    I also don’t really don’t think too many buses or bus stops need to be removed from High. As some COTA officials said in that article, that’s where people want to go. I think the bus stops work pretty well in the Short North (albeit a bit slow, which could be adjusted) where you have a mix of metered parking and bus stop areas.

    Where in the article did say transit-dependent riders wanted to go to high st downtown? It’s more like they have to in order to get a transfer …

    “There are those who choose to take the bus and usually find a direct route from their homes to their jobs Downtown. Faced with transfers, they’d rather drive, Ricksecker said.

    The second type is those who depend on COTA because they don’t have another way to get around. Because of COTA’s hub-and-spoke configuration, many passengers have to transfer Downtown.

    There is a huge difference between a bus stop and bus transit mall ;)

    #361847
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    futureman wrote >>
    Where in the article did say transit-dependent riders wanted to go to high st downtown? It’s more like they have to in order to get a transfer …

    “That is primarily customer-driven; that’s where our customers want to go,” Stutz said. “To remain competitive and keep our customers happy, we want to deliver them where they want to be.”

    I guess it’s semi-unclear if Marty was referring specifically to transfer riders or to bus riders in general, but it was my assumption that he was saying that High Street is the main draw for all types of people so it’s a good fit for COTA to consolidate lines there in terms of ridership routes and not just as a transfer center.

    With so many offices and destinations being within a block of High Street downtown, it’s definitely a destination for workers, visitors and restaurants-goers, no matter what form of transportation they’re using.

    #361848

    johnwirtz
    Participant

    I ran some very rough numbers and I think the buses bring in lots more people than on-street parking could.
    http://xingcolumbus.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/transit-or-on-street-parking-whats-better-for-business/

    That’s not to say that those passengers will generate more revenue for stores than a smaller number of drivers though. That’s hard to say and beyond my ability to guess.

    #361849
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Thursday, November 4, 2010
    Columbus Developers: Transit Riders Are Bad for Business
    by Angie Schmitt on November 4, 2010

    It’s hard to believe, in this day and age, that some people still harbor a negative attitude about bus riders. But the sad truth is, transit users continue to be stigmatized in many quarters.

    READ MORE: http://streetsblog.net/2010/11/04/columbus-developers-transit-riders-are-bad-for-business/

    #361850
    Tom Over
    Tom Over
    Participant

    Akron has a relatively new transit station with some eco-friendly features such as no-flush urinals.

    Perhaps Columbus can attract more young professionals and others from the creative class if our new transit station has waterless toilets for composting our poop for use in our many community gardens !!

    #361851

    roy
    Participant

    TomOver wrote >>
    Akron has a relatively new transit station with some eco-friendly features such as no-flush urinals. Perhaps Columbus can attract more young professionals and others from the creative class if our new transit station has waterless toilets for composting our poop for use in our many community gardens !!

    I doubt creative class professionals include specific urinals on their list of dealbreakers re: locating in Columbus. But if so, we’re in luck, as the City is converting its own buildings to eco-toilets and even the women’s have a 2-way ecoflush mechanism, up for liquids and down for solids.

    TomOver, Columbus ALREADY makes compost from our waste solids (or as you stated, ‘poop’), it’s in use at community gardens, here’s the link if you want to learn more or buy:
    http://utilities.columbus.gov/Conservation/PDFs/Com-Til08.pdf

    #361852
    MichaelC
    MichaelC
    Participant

    COTA is about to reject both the downtown transit center and the suggestion that routes be redirected off High Street through downtown.

    The Dispatch has the story.

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    COTA debates downtown transit center
    Agency poised to reject city request to move bus stops away from shops along High Street
    Sunday, May 29, 2011
    By Robert Vitale
    THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

    COTA appears ready to reject a request from Downtown planners to move bus stops away from High Street storefronts. A Downtown transit center – one location where Central Ohio Transit Authority passengers could wait indoors to catch a bus – would cost too much, disrupt too many routes and inconvenience too many riders, officials say.

    READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/05/29/cota-debates-downtown-transit-center.html?sid=101

    #361853
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Let’s scrap the transit center idea then, and just implement changes that address the same concerns for retail, parking and adequate bus transfer accommodations:

    1. Re-route some of the non-High-specific routes to Front, Third and Fourth. According to the Dispatch article, COTA claims that ridership drops if people need to walk a quarter mile from the stop to their destination, which is great because fourth is only .2 miles from High and Third and Front are only .1 miles from High.

    Many of the routes that run on High through the middle of the CBD turn off within a few blocks… a mile at the most. Routes 1, 3, 4, 6, 9, 11, 14, 15, 16(north), 18 and 19 could all be shifted to Front, Third or Fourth. Some of the express routes too.

    2. Add state of the art covered bus shelters from Mound to Goodale along Front, High, Third and Fourth. Make it so that shifting routes to parallel streets is not a downgrade, and keep all of those waiting environments top quality. Temperature controlled, free WiFi, LED signage with real time bus arrival departure information, etc.

    3. Add full time on-street metered parking to High Street between Mound & Goodale. Buses can have dedicated spots to pull in & out like they do in the Short North, or curb bump-outs for bus rides to board.

    4. Give buses signal priority through Downtown. There’s a lot of stops through this area, so bus rides can be slow Downtown. No reason they shouldn’t be given green lights whenever possible.

    Done! Problems solved, right? ;) (Easier said than done)

    #361854

    Analogue Kid
    Participant

    Walker wrote >>
    1. Re-route some of the non-High-specific routes to Front, Third and Fourth. According to the Dispatch article, COTA claims that ridership drops if people need to walk a quarter mile from the stop to their destination, which is great because fourth is only .2 miles from High and Third and Front are only .1 miles from High.

    I concur, but looks like we’ll need to make Front two-way north of Broad then, or have the buses make a loop (High->Long->Third->Rich->Front->Long->High)

    #361855
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Yeah, I’m not sure why Front isn’t two way already. ;)

    #361856
    Caleb
    Caleb
    Participant

    Walker wrote >>
    Yeah, I’m not sure why Front isn’t two way already. ;)

    +1

    #361857
    Josh Lapp
    Josh Lapp
    Participant

    COTA recently performed a Downtown Operations Analysis and is having a series of meetings to help plan the future of transit Downtown.

    Cbus Transit wants your input so we can communicate to COTA what the public desires for transit Downtown. Please post your thoughts here on CU, Tweet us @Cbus_Transit, vote in our Facebook poll, comment on ourFacebook Page or shoot us an email ([email protected])

    #361858

    ehill27
    Participant

    Where’s the #[email protected]% Statehouse bus shelters!!!

    It’s the epicenter of downtown, it’s on the COTA logo, and it could very well be THE busiest stops in the city. Let’s get moving!

    #361859
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Sounds like 2010 Plan Idea #6 might not be happening…

    COTA study: Terminal won’t ease congestion at Broad and High
    Business First – by Adrian Burns
    Date: Friday, July 15, 2011, 2:43pm

    A downtown transit center for the Central Ohio Transit Authority likely won’t curb bus and rider congestion at Broad and High streets, a study by the transit authority has found, but moving some bus routes off High could help.

    While a new bus center a couple blocks away likely wouldn’t diminish bus traffic downtown, moving some routes from High Street to Front, Third and Fourth streets has more potential, COTA spokesman Marty Stutz said. But changes to those routes would mean riders would have to go to other locations to catch a bus, and so it’s important to gather public input on potential new routes, he said.

    READ MORE: http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2011/07/15/cota-study-terminal-wont-ease.html

    #361860

    cc
    Member

    I think moving some of those buses off of High Street would help a lot.

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