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  • #1042452

    L.I. to Buckeye
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    I’ve lived in the far west side/Galloway area for 8 or so years. I think it’s a pretty nice place to live. It’s certainly affordable and you might be surprised to learn how many parks there are–from metro parks to neighborhood pocket parks. I like our neighborhood quite a lot.

    I work in West Jefferson, so my commute is pretty nice. It doesn’t take long to get anywhere in Columbus or to the airport, and the traffic is far less hellish than the Polaris area or God forsaken Sawmill Road.

    Marc and I had the opportunity to move to Worthington a year and a half ago. We decided to buy a place around the corner from the condo I bought when I first moved to Ohio. We now rent the condo out and have had no trouble finding tenants for it.

    Moving to Worthington would have increased my commuting time. But I would have done it in a heartbeat if this area was the craphole that some (many?) people seem to think it is.

    #1042453

    WJT
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    I lived in an apartment complex that I think is now called “Lake Eden”. It’s just east of Norton Rd.

    I can remember as a kid when there was not a single thing south of Sullivant around there-no Cherry Creek, just nothing. My brothers and I played in the fields and woods there.

    The area has gone steadily downhill since the early/mid eighties. I can also remember having friends who lived in the infamous and now partly leveled Lincoln Park West, and it was a nice community back in the seventies. Who would have guessed it would turn into such a hellhole.

    There used to at least be a thriving Westland Mall, and a scattering of other casual restaurants (the Shell on Sullivant comes to mind) Ground Round, Sveden House, Chi-Chi’s(when it was actually decent), etc. Nothing really upscale, but decent. most closed or relocated to the traffic nightmare that is Hilliard-Rome Rd. Besides Westland, if you go back far enough there was Great Western and the Dixie Electic company, Lincoln Lodge(with it’s golf course). Beacon Light Golf Course, Wee Bonnie golf course, etc. Qube even had a studio by the Orange Julius in Westland Mall. A lot has changed.

    It is kind of painful to realize how far much of the west side has declined.

    When I think ‘west side’ I think of the areas between and either side of Broad and Sullivant, going out to about Westland High school. Sort of the greater Hilltop plus the Westland area. Georgesville Square/Holt road area is really southwest to me, and Hilliard Rome road is really South Hillard.

    One of the only good things to happen in the last few decades on the west side is the demise of the hated municipality of New Rome. Good riddance!

    #1042454
    Coremodels
    Coremodels
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    So for a more fact based answer, here’s a recent article that has some positive things to say:

    http://www.dailynewsen.com/local/area-around-columbus-casino-shows-signs-of-revival-h2588519.html

    There have been infrastructure improvements along Georgesville Road and W. Broad Street. Metro Parks is operating on improvements to the Camp Chase multi-use path, and there will be a 47-acre park on Wilson Road south of W. Broad Street.
    “If it wasn’t for the casino, none of this would have occurred,” mentioned Haydocy, who is president of Weston Vision, the West Side’s economic-improvement organization.
    A McDonald’s, Big Lots, Value City Furnishings and U-Haul Super Center have opened close to the casino in recent months. The nearby TeeJaye’s Nation Location restaurant was razed and rebuilt.
    “I heard how rough the location had gotten, but the initially time I came right here, I believed, this area has a lot of life to it,” said Himbert Sinopoli, who took more than as the casino’s vice president and common manager in Could.
    Haydocy and Layman Chevrolet renovated their dealerships, and Haydocy added the RV dealership. The Weston Auto Group purchased the extended-vacant Pep Boys store, and the new owners of Hollywood Plaza renovated and revitalized the strip mall at W. Broad Street and Georgesville Road.
    “It’s not just the casino it is also the city’s commitment to improving the West Side,” mentioned Tom Heilman, managing companion of the Hollywood Plaza.

    Columbus Western Bowl underwent a renovation, and Buckeye Raceway, an indoor go-kart track, is to open quickly in a extended-vacant Kohl’s.
    “Compared to what it was a couple of years ago, it is establishing seriously effectively,” said Don Cook, a Franklin Township trustee. “A lot of people today were afraid and waited for an individual else to do a thing first, but that is altering.”
    Weston Vision’s revitalization program had five measures: put to use a former Delphi manufacturing internet site, strengthen the infrastructure, redo the massive and decaying Metro West apartment complex, build green space and revitalize Westland Mall.
    “We’ve checked 4 of the five boxes,” Haydocy mentioned only Westland Mall remains on the to-do list. The after-vibrant mall, which opened in 1962, is pretty much empty. Officials of Plaza Properties, its owner, did not return repeated calls from The Dispatch searching for comment.
    The Romney Group purchased Metro West and is renovating 820 two- and 3-bedroom units in what is now named Havenwood Townhome Neighborhood.

    So there’s certainly an upside to the neighborhood. As to the crime everyone said the casino would bring:

    Three-year statistics from the Franklin County sheriff’s workplace for the region inside 2 miles of the casino show that crime has steadily gone down. The total number of crimes fell from 3,514 in 2011 to two,979 in 2012 and 2,671 last year

    #1042455

    DavidF
    Participant

    So for a more fact based answer, here’s a recent article that has some positive things to say:

    http://www.dailynewsen.com/local/area-around-columbus-casino-shows-signs-of-revival-h2588519.html

    There have been infrastructure improvements along Georgesville Road and W. Broad Street. Metro Parks is operating on improvements to the Camp Chase multi-use path, and there will be a 47-acre park on Wilson Road south of W. Broad Street.<br>
    “If it wasn’t for the casino, none of this would have occurred,” mentioned Haydocy, who is president of Weston Vision, the West Side’s economic-improvement organization.<br>
    A McDonald’s, Big Lots, Value City Furnishings and U-Haul Super Center have opened close to the casino in recent months. The nearby TeeJaye’s Nation Location restaurant was razed and rebuilt.<br>
    “I heard how rough the location had gotten, but the initially time I came right here, I believed, this area has a lot of life to it,” said Himbert Sinopoli, who took more than as the casino’s vice president and common manager in Could.<br>
    Haydocy and Layman Chevrolet renovated their dealerships, and Haydocy added the RV dealership. The Weston Auto Group purchased the extended-vacant Pep Boys store, and the new owners of Hollywood Plaza renovated and revitalized the strip mall at W. Broad Street and Georgesville Road.<br>
    “It’s not just the casino it is also the city’s commitment to improving the West Side,” mentioned Tom Heilman, managing companion of the Hollywood Plaza.

    Columbus Western Bowl underwent a renovation, and Buckeye Raceway, an indoor go-kart track, is to open quickly in a extended-vacant Kohl’s.<br>
    “Compared to what it was a couple of years ago, it is establishing seriously effectively,” said Don Cook, a Franklin Township trustee. “A lot of people today were afraid and waited for an individual else to do a thing first, but that is altering.”<br>
    Weston Vision’s revitalization program had five measures: put to use a former Delphi manufacturing internet site, strengthen the infrastructure, redo the massive and decaying Metro West apartment complex, build green space and revitalize Westland Mall.<br>
    “We’ve checked 4 of the five boxes,” Haydocy mentioned only Westland Mall remains on the to-do list. The after-vibrant mall, which opened in 1962, is pretty much empty. Officials of Plaza Properties, its owner, did not return repeated calls from The Dispatch searching for comment.<br>
    The Romney Group purchased Metro West and is renovating 820 two- and 3-bedroom units in what is now named Havenwood Townhome Neighborhood.

    So there’s certainly an upside to the neighborhood. As to the crime everyone said the casino would bring:

    Three-year statistics from the Franklin County sheriff’s workplace for the region inside 2 miles of the casino show that crime has steadily gone down. The total number of crimes fell from 3,514 in 2011 to two,979 in 2012 and 2,671 last year

    Digression: What is up with that article? If you read it, it sounds like it was poorly translated from some other language. For example: “Compared to what it was a couple of years ago, it is establishing seriously effectively,” said Don Cook, a Franklin Township trustee. “A lot of people today were afraid and waited for an individual else to do a thing first, but that is altering.”

    #1042457
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Ok, I apologize too for using the C word, although when you see a bandwagon of individuals consistently whipping and beating the same dead horse it starts to feel like one…

    I doubt you moved your neighborhood expecting it to be universally loved by the entire city. ;) You’re fighting an uphill battle on public perception, as is anyone living in a myriad of other non-Short-North-German-Village neighborhoods.

    I digress. It wasn’t aimed at any individual, but rather the plethora of threads about the casino on the shitty west side.

    There’s one main thread about the casino. And it’s primarily about the casino itself.

    There’s also a 23 page discussion about miscellaneous development all over the entire West Side:

    https://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/west-side-development-news-038-discussion

    We’ve heard it. We’re out here fighting blight daily and truth told, most of the hilltop isn’t nearly what our local media would have you believe. It frustrates the hell out of plenty of us that when a woman gets stabbed in HILLIARD at a Planet Fitness it gets reported as “live from the west side!” though.

    I agree that’s frustrating. In fact, so much so that I started a thread on that exact topic 4 years ago:

    https://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/frustration-with-inaccuratemisleading-geographic-locations-in-media-reporting

    It’s not just limited to the West Side though. “North Side” can refer to Linden or Olde North or Bethel Road or Polaris. “East Side” can refer to Olde Towne, Whitehall, Reynoldsburg or The Airport. The problem is that the local tv news is just lazy and they dumb down geographic descriptions because they assume (rightfully so) that the bulk of their audience isn’t going to know where Highland West or Ganther’s Place or Eastmoor or Milo Grogan is located. And rather than spend a few extra words or sentences educating their audience, they take the two-word shortcut and just say “______ Side”.

    #1042464

    Hypnotoad17
    Participant

    I’ve been renting in the Hilltop for over a year now, and grew up near Norton Rd/Georgesville Rd area in Galloway. To be honest, I never thought I’d be living in this area, but it has been a surprisingly enjoyable experience. So much so that we are currently looking for homes in the Westgate/Franklinton area. We rent in a neighborhood called Wiltshire Heights, which is between Sullivant and Briggs, west of Hague. Our rent is insanely cheap, we have really nice neighbors in an established neighborhood, and we are within 5 miles of downtown. I can take the bus to work and nightlife, and while there isn’t a ton of hip bars to walk to, we do have an ice cream shop and the Hilltop branch of the library within 3 blocks of us. Our place has never been broken into, and neither have our cars. I think it’s really a block-by-block situation in this area right now. If you go three blocks east toward Hague, it gets really sketchy. This area could be great; it pains me to see how much the West Broad St corridor has declined since I was in high school. Westgate is totally a diamond in the rough as far as housing goes. I would say to take a drive around any area you are thinking of renting in to try to get an idea of the nearby housing and amenities.

    #1042526

    brothermarcus
    Participant

    West side near the casino is basically a suburb, so if you treat living here in that fashion everything you’d expect is available… Best accessed by car. Fast food and generic fast casual are present, ample supermarkets and pharmacies, and our fair share of weirdos.

    I had more uncomfortable encounters living with a bus stop in front of my town home in German Village than I ever have living in the vicinity of the casino. I had more issues with property crime when I lived in Victorian Village. I’m a bit of an introvert so some of these things that people are willing to exchange for the totally awesome urban experience extend beyond my capacity to deal these days. I’m only ten miles from downtown when I choose to go there outside of being there daily for work.

    I am very happy and comfortable living in the casino area, and chose to stay here with my wife when we wanted a larger space and yard. Nowhere else in the city checked off all of our needs at such a value- we would have sacrificed a yard or garage or taken on renovations to get anywhere near our home for anywhere near the price elsewhere. I’ve found an awesome gym, kitschy and locally-owned restaurants, great libraries, good people, and beautiful parks all within a 10 minute drive.

    Fwiw, $0.02 deposited

    #1042527

    jackoh
    Participant

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matthew wrote:</div>
    Ok, I apologize too for using the C word, although when you see a bandwagon of individuals consistently whipping and beating the same dead horse it starts to feel like one…

    I doubt you moved your neighborhood expecting it to be universally loved by the entire city. ;) You’re fighting an uphill battle on public perception, as is anyone living in a myriad of other non-Short-North-German-Village neighborhoods.

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matthew wrote:</div>
    I digress. It wasn’t aimed at any individual, but rather the plethora of threads about the casino on the shitty west side.

    There’s one main thread about the casino. And it’s primarily about the casino itself.

    There’s also a 23 page discussion about miscellaneous development all over the entire West Side:

    https://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/west-side-development-news-038-discussion

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matthew wrote:</div>
    We’ve heard it. We’re out here fighting blight daily and truth told, most of the hilltop isn’t nearly what our local media would have you believe. It frustrates the hell out of plenty of us that when a woman gets stabbed in HILLIARD at a Planet Fitness it gets reported as “live from the west side!” though.

    I agree that’s frustrating. In fact, so much so that I started a thread on that exact topic 4 years ago:

    https://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/frustration-with-inaccuratemisleading-geographic-locations-in-media-reporting

    It’s not just limited to the West Side though. “North Side” can refer to Linden or Olde North or Bethel Road or Polaris. “East Side” can refer to Olde Towne, Whitehall, Reynoldsburg or The Airport. The problem is that the local tv news is just lazy and they dumb down geographic descriptions because they assume (rightfully so) that the bulk of their audience isn’t going to know where Highland West or Ganther’s Place or Eastmoor or Milo Grogan is located. And rather than spend a few extra words or sentences educating their audience, they take the two-word shortcut and just say “______ Side”.

    If you think that descriptions in the local news media of events is “inaccurate” (for location or anything else) because of “laziness” or “dumbing things down for the audience” and not because of the impact of political influence, you need to exchange your rose colored glasses for some clear lenses.

    #1042528
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    If you think that descriptions in the local news media of events is “inaccurate” (for location or anything else) because of “laziness” or “dumbing things down for the audience” and not because of the impact of political influence, you need to exchange your rose colored glasses for some clear lenses.

    I don’t get it. Which political influencers are holding all local media stations as information hostages by not allowing specifics beyond ______ Side when defining areas where crime occurs? And what do these political influencers stand to gain in their conquest for vague geography in the TV news world?

    #1042532

    jackoh
    Participant

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jackoh wrote:</div>
    If you think that descriptions in the local news media of events is “inaccurate” (for location or anything else) because of “laziness” or “dumbing things down for the audience” and not because of the impact of political influence, you need to exchange your rose colored glasses for some clear lenses.

    I don’t get it. Which political influencers are holding all local media stations as information hostages by not allowing specifics beyond ______ Side when defining areas where crime occurs? And what do these political influencers stand to gain in their conquest for vague geography in the TV news world?

    Let me answer the easier (and less sociologically implicated) question first. Geography(“vague” or otherwise) is a matter of location. And as anyone involved in real estate can tell you money in that enterprise is a matter of “location, location, and location.” What events or attributes are attributed to a given location in the media have an impact on how that particular location is valued in the public mind. And that valuation affects the bottom line for that location and for those who own anything within it. They will be determined to protect their investment in anyway possible. And in the interchange that happens between commercial endeavors, things are worked out. And I know that those who are involved in media enterprises like to present themselves as if they were not engaged in a commercial endeavor in order to protect their aura of “objectivity.” But the very notion of commerce, exchanging something of value (information) for something else of value (money or income), which every media enterprise depends upon for its very existence, has built within it, because what is valued is always dependent on a particular context, a sensitivity to or an “appreciation of,” the situation in which it takes place. Any media, I don’t care who it is, in what venue they operate, where they are, are always responsive to their environment. That doesn’t mean that they have been crudely bought off. It does mean that they will see things and narrate them in a certain way.

    #1042537

    robertfoshizzle
    Participant

    Ok, I apologize too for using the C word, although when you see a bandwagon of individuals consistently whipping and beating the same dead horse it starts to feel like one… I digress. It wasn’t aimed at any individual, but rather the plethora of threads about the casino on the shitty west side. We’ve heard it. We’re out here fighting blight daily and truth told, most of the hilltop isn’t nearly what our local media would have you believe. It frustrates the hell out of plenty of us that when a woman gets stabbed in HILLIARD at a Planet Fitness it gets reported as “live from the west side!” though. I mean, damn… ya know? Snarf you’re the prez of it. lol

    Matthew, are you talking about the stabbing at LA Fitness on Hilliard-Rome Road? Hate to burst your bubble, but that’s not in Hilliard. And neither is the Planet Fitness on Roberts Road, for that matter. Both are in Columbus.

    #1042538
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    What events or attributes are attributed to a given location in the media have an impact on how that particular location is valued in the public mind. And that valuation affects the bottom line for that location and for those who own anything within it. They will be determined to protect their investment in anyway possible. And in the interchange that happens between commercial endeavors, things are worked out.

    So you’re saying that all local tv media has investments (or commercial partnerships) based in all neighborhoods throughout the city so much so that they can’t refer to any neighborhood by name and can only use the vague _____-side definitions? For example… NBC4i has so much money pouring in from Driving Park that they can’t report a crime as happening there and have to say East Side instead?

    Sounds pretty far fetched to me.

    I’m going to stick with my original assumption that tv news (like a lot of general/mass audience news) is written to be as broadly appealing to as wide of an audience as possible. There’s been decades of industry research that has found that reporting news based on lower standards of education levels provides an increase in accessibility:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Readability#Readability_and_newspaper_readership

    If tv news were to use specific neighborhood definitions that a lot of people aren’t familiar with (if you polled the local general public, how many could point to Driving Park on a map of Columbus?) then they’d be going over their heads and alienating their viewers. Stick to the compass rose and people get the gist.

    #1042539

    robertfoshizzle
    Participant

    Really though, the Columbus area is confusing for anyone to try to describe geographically. The school district boundaries have nothing to do with city boundaries. Huge parts of Columbus don’t have a widely known name. It’s a mess. I just bought a house off Hague south of Trabue and it is so frustrating to try to describe it. If I say I’m on the west side or off Hague, people automatically assume I am in the Hilltop even though I’m a good mile north of its boundaries. I’m actually just as close to Upper Arlington as I am the Hilltop. No clue what I’m supposed to call my area (as you can see under my username). Any name that I do use is likely to be met with a blank stare. I just say “near the Quarry” and that seems to answer the question for most.

    #1042560

    drew
    Participant

    The strange thing about the question is that there are really no residential areas that are truly close to the casino, but many residential areas with numerous varying qualities just beyond that. Seems like the only decent answer is, ‘well, depends…’.

    #1042562

    jackoh
    Participant

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jackoh wrote:</div>
    What events or attributes are attributed to a given location in the media have an impact on how that particular location is valued in the public mind. And that valuation affects the bottom line for that location and for those who own anything within it. They will be determined to protect their investment in anyway possible. And in the interchange that happens between commercial endeavors, things are worked out.

    So you’re saying that all local tv media has investments (or commercial partnerships) based in all neighborhoods throughout the city so much so that they can’t refer to any neighborhood by name and can only use the vague _____-side definitions? For example… NBC4i has so much money pouring in from Driving Park that they can’t report a crime as happening there and have to say East Side instead?

    Sounds pretty far fetched to me.

    I’m going to stick with my original assumption that tv news (like a lot of general/mass audience news) is written to be as broadly appealing to as wide of an audience as possible. There’s been decades of industry research that has found that reporting news based on lower standards of education levels provides an increase in accessibility:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Readability#Readability_and_newspaper_readership

    If tv news were to use specific neighborhood definitions that a lot of people aren’t familiar with (if you polled the local general public, how many could point to Driving Park on a map of Columbus?) then they’d be going over their heads and alienating their viewers. Stick to the compass rose and people get the gist.

    No, that is not what I’m saying at all. You want to see things as a matter of direct cause and effect, as if it is a quid pro quo. It is nothing of the sort. The media, of which you are a part, wants to construct narratives on the basis of an outcome being the direct result of a particular influence. This is not always, or even usually, the case. If you examine the nature of how some one tells a story (which is what all media entities essentially do), what they attempt to do is to link a particular fact with a particular outcome, and document the process involved in which one things leads to another. But that process, inevitably, takes place within a context that involves much more than a direct linkage. In fact, the linkage is created, not by a direct quid pro quo, but by virtue of the structure of the environment in which the narrative takes place. Narratives about an event, words used to tell a story, are not a matter of accident or on the spot creation, or derived from “objective” analysis, or the result of “laziness,” they represent and are derived from an engagement, an immersion, with an (politically charged) environment. All words used to depict anything, any human, any action, any event, are fundamentally political in their nature. Anyone who does not understand that basic fact has missed not only the message in the story of genesis but the basis behind every political campaign being waged today.

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