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Did Columbus blow it on the Casino relocation?

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  • #395889
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
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    GeorgeFox wrote >>
    Walker, there was A LOT of pressure put on the local politicians by The Dispatch. The Dispatch owns a lot of land there and saw a casino as a way to lose money on their investment.

    I know the Dispatch has an interest in the Nationwide Arena building itself… I think a 10% ownership… But do they own other land in the area though? What parcels do they own that makes up “a lot of land”?

    GeorgeFox wrote >>
    Whether you agree or disagree with gambling (I, myself, voted for it), The Dispatch has abused it’s position as a non-biased media entity. They had a vested interest, and instead of disclosing that, they shook down elected officials and really back-handed the Westside.

    Are you saying that the Dispatch’s tactics were cause enough for voting to keep the casino in the Arena? Why? Just to spite The Dispatch?

    Personally, I didn’t agree at all with the way that The Dispatch handled the whole issue, but to consider them non-biased prior to that is a bit misleading. They run editorials endorsing candidates and issues at every single election time. Perhaps they went above and beyond with this issue, but it’s not something that was completely unheard of prior.

    GeorgeFox wrote >>
    I mean, the Arena District is “family friendly”? Maybe, when Bobo the clown is there, but after 9:00 any weekend that’s no place I would take my kids. The attitude that, the westside is perfect for this screams “Not In My Backyard.”

    You’re right… after 9pm, the Arena District is typically not “family friendly”. Prior to 9pm, it’s plenty “family friendly”. I always thought this was a strange talking point in the whole debate and not really sure why you even brought it up here.

    GeorgeFox wrote >>
    When the Jackets leave (and unless they get a winner, and fast), the arena will have nothing in there but Bull Riding, Tractor shows and the occasional big ticket concert. I have a feeling the Westside will do well and the Georgesville and Sullivant area will see a lot of growth and expansion.

    Again, if the Casino were in the Arena District, and the Jackets left, the Arena itself would be in the same situation. The casino wasn’t proposed to take over that venue. The neighborhood would still have less to do without the Jackets there, Casino or not.

    GeorgeFox wrote >>
    Bottom line, the issue wasn’t gambling. It was about The Dispatch’s real estate wing losing money and them not wanting to have “those people” near their investment. That is the shameful part about it and really, with the exception of The Other Paper, was never reported.

    It was discussed plenty around here on CU.

    For me, the issue wasn’t about gambling, nor was it about the Dispatch. It was about urban infill development, proper land use, and appropriate zoning.

    #395890

    byJody
    Participant

    If gambling is the savior of the floundering hockey team, then why don’t they just lobby to put slot machines inside the Arena? I still think it is ridiculous that one entertainment industry should have to subsidize another. When does natural selection come into play?

    #395891

    Core_Models
    Member

    Walker wrote >>

    Core_Models wrote >>
    If (when) the Bluejackets go bust, there’s gonna be a helluva lot of “move the casino” folks who will be regretting that decision, IMO.

    Why’s that? Because it’s guaranteed that an Arena District Casino would have filled more seats at CBJ home games?

    Because if the Jackets leave, the arena struggles, if the arena struggles, an added component of entertainment attraction and traffic would be most welcome. Hell, we’ve already seen the Jackets want the casino’s tax revenue even if its on the west side…

    #395892

    JonMyers
    Participant

    Walker was asking how would the casino have helped the Blue Jackets specifically not the Arena District?

    #395893

    cc
    Member

    I think having another entertainment venue (the casino) in the entertainment district would have been a plus. There are 41 home games in the NHL (most occurring in a series). When/if the Bluejackets leave, the Arena will still host events. I could even image the casino sponsoring some arena concert events to bring in the gray hairs :). I do think the issue was lack of long term strategic planning and a general belief that the first casino bill would fail.

    I am happy for the West Side. I think they made the most of an opportunity.

    #395894

    Jim Lauwers
    Participant

    Yeah man we blew it alright, ain’t nobody driving out to the west end just to play some pai gao, plus who’s even heard of a sports team making money without winning a championship? The Blue Jackets will be out of there within six weeks and then the Arena will fill up with ghosts and spiders just like City Center did. This is a disaster, casinos have no ability to attract patrons (which is why they are always placed in the geographic center of each city), and City Hall is going to miss out on all that casino tax money and be reduced to legalizing huffing.

    Maybe you artsy types with degrees in urban planning will start to care about this casino’s plight once local artists all go broke because of a new 800% tax on gold spraypaint.

    I know that the last thing Hollywood Casinos wants would be to have a second location in this city. Their soft-touch approach to selling this issue to the city over the past few years has shown their reluctance to experiment with even one location in this bust-town. But let’s hope if we grovel enough Hollywood will agree to open another location in the Arena district, just like the voters in this city demanded.

    #395895
    Lauren Wilson
    Lauren Wilson
    Participant

    Snarf wrote >>
    i’ve not been to a bike night there, but i can imagine the similarity.
    i actually haven’t been to bodega in over a year, i’d ought to get reacquainted with their beer menu soon.

    Bourbon Barrel ALE on tap there right now. :)

    #395896
    Snarf
    Snarf
    Participant

    byJody wrote >>
    If gambling is the savior of the floundering hockey team, then why don’t they just lobby to put slot machines inside the Arena? I still think it is ridiculous that one entertainment industry should have to subsidize another. When does natural selection come into play?

    +1

    #395897

    Schoolboy
    Participant

    It was a horrible decision. The only possible benefit from having a casino in our city, would have been from the increase in tourism. I’m sorry, no offense to those that live near the Delphi plant, but it’s the last place in Columbus I want representing our city and the last place in our city that would benefit small private business owners / general public. Any new development in the area will be in the form of corporate resteraunts etc, which will offer minimal low wage jobs. Unless of course you count Wexner, who unsurprisingly owns much of the vacant property in the area. Which is a strong case for a conspiracy to the move in the first place. The Short North and Downtown business owners were really screwed on this one. After all of the talk on how to re-energize downtown, this was a perfect opportunity. After this, I’m not even interested in the topic at all. It’s time for a new regime change in this city.

    #395898

    Schoolboy wrote >>
    It was a horrible decision. The only possible benefit from having a casino in our city, would have been from the increase in tourism. I’m sorry, no offense to those that live near the Delphi plant, but it’s the last place in Columbus I want representing our city and the last place in our city that would benefit small private business owners / general public. Any new development in the area will be in the form of corporate resteraunts etc, which will offer minimal low wage jobs. Unless of course you count Wexner, who unsurprisingly owns much of the vacant property in the area. Which is a strong case for a conspiracy to the move in the first place. The Short North and Downtown business owners were really screwed on this one. After all of the talk on how to re-energize downtown, this was a perfect opportunity. After this, I’m not even interested in the topic at all. It’s time for a new regime change in this city.

    +1

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Wexner started building/demolishing, especially as the market comes back. I just hope whatever he does out there it’s comprehensive and ties in Fton and Downtown.

    #395899

    Twixlen
    Participant

    The Wexner thing is and has always been a rumor. He, nor any of his holdings own masses of property in the W Broad/270 area. The Westland Mall and the connecting parcel behind it, including the apartments are owned by Plaza Properties. I could be wrong, but I am unaware of any connection between Wexner and Plaza.

    Also – folks need to keep in mind that the Dispatch/Nationwide weren’t the only ones that were handing over huge money to Stand Up Columbus to fight the Arena District location for the casino. AEP donated $1m to that cause – an equally large contributor to their warchest.

    As for the Blue Jackets, I know there has been some murmuring about spending some of the casino tax revenue on bailing them out of their financial hole. I can’t even stomach the hypocrisy in that. If the casino had been dropped downtown, would the westside seen some of the tax revenue generated? Would there have been an earmark for helping boost Westland/business corridors along West Broad? The problem is that the casino is now going in over there, and aside from the general improvement of the Delphi parcel (which is huge, I know), I haven’t heard anything about using some of the tax revenue to improve the infrastructure or benefit business development along W Broad, east of 270. Franklin township got their cut, apparently the rest of us that live out there can just stuff it. Not that I’m bitter.

    #395900
    Snarf
    Snarf
    Participant

    All this debate could have been avoided by not having a filthy trashy ass casino in the first place, what will Columbus voters vie for next, crack dens and brothels?

    #395901

    Neil Jaye
    Member

    This is slightly off-topic for this thread but does anyone know if the Ohio casino laws allow for only one casino per city? Is there a possibility of competition being able to come to Columbus, Cincy, etc in the form of multiple casino companies in operation?

    #395902

    dru
    Participant

    Neil Jaye wrote >>
    This is slightly off-topic for this thread but does anyone know if the Ohio casino laws allow for only one casino per city? Is there a possibility of competition being able to come to Columbus, Cincy, etc in the form of multiple casino companies in operation?

    it is a Constitutionally enshrined monopoly.

    #395903

    Core_Models
    Member

    it is a Constitutionally enshrined monopoly.

    …and yet Harrah’s was just awarded management and partial ownership in two of them, months after the amendment was passed.

    That’s a strange monopoly.

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