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Did Columbus blow it on the Casino relocation?

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  • #395874

    RoundTowner
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    Walker wrote >>

    RoundTowner wrote >>
    It seems as though anything City leaders decide on here, everyone agrees and do not question the status quo.

    Are you saying that because the public vote was not your preferred outcome or are you saying that because you didn’t think enough debate took place about the issue? I thought there was pretty healthy debate about the Casino. There was here on CU anyway:
    https://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/issue-2-casino-relocation
    https://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/channel-6-says-penn-national-building-casino-on-the-west-side
    https://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/dispatch-says-no-to-casino
    https://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/effort-to-move-columbus-casino-begins

    RoundTowner wrote >>
    I am not sure why people think downtown is not a good fit for a Casino, downtown should be fit for any business (well most) and should be everyone’s neighborhood, not just for the few who live here, it seems like downtowners are just as big NIMBY’s as suburbanites.
    Why is an Arena or Museum fit for downtown and a Casino not. Sounds snobbish to me.

    I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn’t mind a multi-story Vegas-style Casino/Hotel development Downtown with the right financial deal and sustainability. I think that would be a good fit in terms of density. What was proposed was a single-story rural-style slot machine parlor. I didn’t think that was a good fit for Downtown.
    “Snobbishness” has nothing to do with it, so please don’t cast that kind of personal insult or judgment on me or anyone else just because they disagree with you. Thanks.

    Sorry if I ruffled your feathers, but I don’t buy your argument, but that is my opinion. You actually sound like Mayor Coleman. Thanks

    #395875

    Roland
    Participant

    Walker wrote >>

    Roland wrote >>
    I think Columbus leadership should have had a better option on the ballot. That’s the big fail in my mind. No foresight.

    Did Toledo, Cincinnati or Cleveland do that?

    Why was Columbus the only city after the vote to have a problem requiring a special election?

    Cleveland and Cincinnati look like they’ve got a good deal here with Gilbert and Hannahs. They always appeared to have a more attractive option then Columbus did through the entire ordeal.

    #395876

    MFRONE
    Participant

    Dan Gilbert owns the Cavs…dude could have proposed a one room casino with 3 slot machines and him not having to pay any taxes and had it would have won in a landslide.

    Columbus had the extra vote to move the casino because the amendment that was passed state-wide was defeated in Columbus.

    #395877

    JonMyers
    Participant

    I’m guessing that Clevelander Michael Ruhlman’s attitude towards Columbus isn’t an isolated case.

    #395878
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    RoundTowner wrote >>
    Sorry if I ruffled your feathers, but I don’t buy your argument, but that is my opinion. You actually sound like Mayor Coleman. Thanks

    No worries… I’m not ruffled at all. Just asking for a civilized debate that is insult-free.

    Anyway… if you’re implying that my honest opinion on this topic is some sort of lie, well then… I really don’t see any reason to discuss anything with you.

    #395879

    MFRONE
    Participant

    JonMyers wrote >>
    I’m guessing that Clevelander Michael Ruhlman’s attitude towards Columbus isn’t an isolated case.

    One thing to keep in mind is the Cleveland casino is being put in the Flats area which right now is home to a few crappy bars and some strip clubs. The casino is being used to completely redevelop and restore that whole area so a high end casino was needed, as a crappy Hollywood style place wouldn’t cut it. The Arena District is already well established so there was probably no reason to go all out.

    Notice that the idea of a hotel wasn’t planned for the AD, but now on the west side it is being considered.

    #395880
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Roland wrote >>

    Walker wrote >>

    Roland wrote >>
    I think Columbus leadership should have had a better option on the ballot. That’s the big fail in my mind. No foresight.

    Did Toledo, Cincinnati or Cleveland do that?

    Why was Columbus the only city after the vote to have a problem requiring a special election?
    Cleveland and Cincinnati look like they’ve got a good deal here with Gilbert and Hannahs. They always appeared to have a more attractive option then Columbus did through the entire ordeal.

    I think I misunderstood your other post. When you said “Columbus leadership” you’re talking about the local private sector instead of the public sector, right? At first I thought you were trying to say that our public leadership should have proposed some sort of taxpayer funded project on par with what Gilbert proposed as a private developer for the other 2C’s.

    #395881
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Roland wrote >>

    Walker wrote >>

    Roland wrote >>
    I think Columbus leadership should have had a better option on the ballot. That’s the big fail in my mind. No foresight.

    Did Toledo, Cincinnati or Cleveland do that?

    Why was Columbus the only city after the vote to have a problem requiring a special election?
    Cleveland and Cincinnati look like they’ve got a good deal here with Gilbert and Hannahs. They always appeared to have a more attractive option then Columbus did through the entire ordeal.

    I think I misunderstood your other post. When you said “Columbus leadership” you’re talking about the local private sector instead of the public sector, right? At first I thought you were trying to say that our public leadership should have proposed some sort of taxpayer funded project on par with what Gilbert proposed as a private developer for the other 2C’s.

    #395882

    Core_Models
    Member

    We’re not getting a Harrah’s, we’re getting a Hollywood Casino.

    You make that sound like the other cities are getting a casino owned by and designed by Harrah’s.

    They’re getting one managed by Harrah’s with a minority interest.

    BTW, for all those who are envious of the Harrah’s thing while slamming the cheesiness of the Hollywood Casino theme…who the hell do you think owns Planet Hollywood???

    #395883

    JonMyers
    Participant

    MFRONE wrote >>

    JonMyers wrote >>
    I’m guessing that Clevelander Michael Ruhlman’s attitude towards Columbus isn’t an isolated case.

    One thing to keep in mind is the Cleveland casino is being put in the Flats area which right now is home to a few crappy bars and some strip clubs. The casino is being used to completely redevelop and restore that whole area so a high end casino was needed, as a crappy Hollywood style place wouldn’t cut it. The Arena District is already well established so there was probably no reason to go all out.

    I don’t buy the logic of putting a “crappy casino” in a place that is already established.

    #395884

    Core_Models
    Member

    If (when) the Bluejackets go bust, there’s gonna be a helluva lot of “move the casino” folks who will be regretting that decision, IMO.

    #395885

    Pablo
    Participant

    Core_Models wrote >>
    If (when) the Bluejackets go bust, there’s gonna be a helluva lot of “move the casino” folks who will be regretting that decision, IMO.

    +1

    #395886

    GeorgeFox
    Member

    Core_Models wrote >>
    If (when) the Bluejackets go bust, there’s gonna be a helluva lot of “move the casino” folks who will be regretting that decision, IMO.

    Core—DEAD ON!!!

    Secondly—Walker, there was A LOT of pressure put on the local politicians by The Dispatch. The Dispatch owns a lot of land there and saw a casino as a way to lose money on their investment. Whether you agree or disagree with gambling (I, myself, voted for it), The Dispatch has abused it’s position as a non-biased media entity. They had a vested interest, and instead of disclosing that, they shook down elected officials and really back-handed the Westside.

    I mean, the Arena District is “family friendly”? Maybe, when Bobo the clown is there, but after 9:00 any weekend that’s no place I would take my kids.The attitude that, the westside is perfect for this screams “Not In My Backyard.” When the Jackets leave (and unless they get a winner, and fast), the arena will have nothing in there but Bull Riding, Tractor shows and the occasional big ticket concert. I have a feeling the Westside will do well and the Georgesville and Sullivant area will see a lot of growth and expansion

    Bottom line, the issue wasn’t gambling. It was about The Dispatch’s real estate wing losing money and them not wanting to have “those people” near their investment. That is the shameful part about it and really, with the exception of The Other Paper, was never reported.

    #395887
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Core_Models wrote >>
    You make that sound like the other cities are getting a casino owned by and designed by Harrah’s.
    They’re getting one managed by Harrah’s with a minority interest.

    Gotcha. I only had a chance to skim the announcement today. Busy day today.

    Still… my point is that it sounds like Cincy & Cleveland are getting better project than what is proposed for Columbus, no?

    #395888
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Core_Models wrote >>
    If (when) the Bluejackets go bust, there’s gonna be a helluva lot of “move the casino” folks who will be regretting that decision, IMO.

    Why’s that? Because it’s guaranteed that an Arena District Casino would have filled more seats at CBJ home games?

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