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  • #373552

    cyclist II
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    This has turned into a BeerMan-CooperGuy circle jerk

    #373553

    BeerMan
    Member

    Pickerington_Kyle wrote >>
    Just a couple of questions:
    Why don’t they have race cars rev their engines in cooper stadiums parking lot and see how far noise levels can be reached?
    Even if this track get’s built will this really be much louder than traffic, or fireworks, or other events going on?

    Similar tests were done. Development Commission members were there & were satisfied.

    In addition, I am part of a group that has raced cars on the Cooper Stadium parking lots for years, with several of the cars producing around 95-98db. We never had one noise complaint. If fact most people in the area will tell you that they weren’t even aware that we were there.

    #373554

    GCrites80s
    Participant

    BeerMan wrote >>

    Pickerington_Kyle wrote >>
    Just a couple of questions:
    Why don’t they have race cars rev their engines in cooper stadiums parking lot and see how far noise levels can be reached?
    Even if this track get’s built will this really be much louder than traffic, or fireworks, or other events going on?

    Similar tests were done. Development Commission members were there & were satisfied.
    In addition, I am part of a group that has raced cars on the Cooper Stadium parking lots for years, with several of the cars producing around 95-98db. We never had one noise complaint. If fact most people in the area will tell you that they weren’t even aware that we were there.

    One of the key aspects of noise mitigation is “out of sight, out of mind”. They couldn’t see us, so they weren’t listening for the sound. When people can see the source of a noise, all of a sudden they hear it.

    #373555

    Pickerington_Kyle
    Participant

    GCrites80s wrote >>

    BeerMan wrote >>

    Pickerington_Kyle wrote >>
    Just a couple of questions:
    Why don’t they have race cars rev their engines in cooper stadiums parking lot and see how far noise levels can be reached?
    Even if this track get’s built will this really be much louder than traffic, or fireworks, or other events going on?

    Similar tests were done. Development Commission members were there & were satisfied.
    In addition, I am part of a group that has raced cars on the Cooper Stadium parking lots for years, with several of the cars producing around 95-98db. We never had one noise complaint. If fact most people in the area will tell you that they weren’t even aware that we were there.

    One of the key aspects of noise mitigation is “out of sight, out of mind”. They couldn’t see us, so they weren’t listening for the sound. When people can see the source of a noise, all of a sudden they hear it.

    Yea, I believe that it probally wouldn’t even bother people in frankliton, then the highway does.

    #373556

    Parker
    Participant

    CooperGuy wrote >>

    As for tracks in densely populated areas, check out the farm fields surrounding the Milwaukee Mile, at the Wisconsin State Fair Park.

    I bet you worked real hard for that example. Unfortunately for your case, it’s a perfect example of a track that was built before people lived around it. It’s also about 5 miles outside of downtown Milwaukee. In other words, people who like noise moved there. And, to top it off, it only had events on 3 days in 2009 – three, that’s right, 3 days – as in 1, 2, 3. . . 4… nope, not four, just 3 and two were consecutive. Just 2 days in a row in 2010.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Mile#2009_Schedule

    #373557
    Chris Sherman
    Chris Sherman
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    that highway is pretty loud, i can hear it the moment i step out of the shop. more so in winter than summer due to humidity and leaves on the trees. my feeling is it passed the first city test with the unanimous vote by the development commission, its going to get the green light from city council most likely. then its up to arshot to finance and build. im curious how he is financing this. will banks lend on a project like this during this economic climate? would they loan money on a race track/complex? again time will tell. i think the financial end is another huge hurtle if not the biggest one. his bicentennial plaza was foreclosed on about a year ago. im sure his holdings are substantial though.

    i have stated this before, im in east franklinton by the spaghetti warehouse. i dont think the noise is going to be a huge concern for me. if the noise is an issue its going to be concentrated along 70 from 315 to hilltop and affect north to town or state. that is the highest concentration of residential in the neighborhood. that area has also seen a slow but steady trickle of rehabs and new residents moving in. im afraid the stigma of the noise will choke that trickle off and stall if not stop further development of greater franklinton.

    just a theory

    #373558

    Parker
    Participant

    CooperGuy wrote >>

    Parker wrote >>
    I’ve said it before – Cooper Park is the right idea in the wrong place. No other city in America has built a racetrack in its core. The focus on this being a low-income area is further proof that some in Central Ohio continue to assume that poor people should absorb the risks associated with risky developments.
    It makes more sense to move the Cooper Park near the Casino. Those activities go hand-in-hand as entertainment, and business and property owners in Westland are looking for educational facilities, have a ton of inexpensive retail space and commercial properties. Arshot could use the Westland Mall as the base for development and have a larger track to boot.

    Dontja think it might be a little difficult for any developer to create a specific re-use of Cooper Stadium at another location? You really haven’t been paying attention here.
    Annual ticket sales? Really?
    OK, Ok… but since you asked nicely, 54,832 the first year, 127,640 the second, 157,976 the third, then into the untold millions beyond. Give or take a couple dozen.
    Seriously, I’ve never heard an annual projection. I do know that the developer has made it clear in public statements that they would love to see the seats filled every weekend – including winter, as would any venue. Now before you go jumping up and down claiming that they want to hold 52 1/2 mile NASCAR Dayton 500 events, that includes all the variety of events possible. But even if it was 52 mini-500’s, if you couldn’t heat them, what’s the problem? I’m sure he would also love to see the initial 20,000 sq ft of office space filled from day one, with a waiting list as would any developer.
    The only selling that isn’t working is your attempt to paint the developer and supporters of this project as villains wanting to screw Franklinton. In sales, mis-information will always lose out to facts. But that’s Ok, keep going for it.
    Gotta go get some more signs made up though, you wouldn’t believe the number of requests from people that keep coming in, they seem encouraged by the prospect of new jobs and business development in their area – who woulda guessed?

    Yes, really. If that’s the so-called promise for support to the SWCA, then the SWCA should have an idea of what their cut will be. And, what kind of a business model doesn’t project their income? That’s just silly to state it that way.

    The only thing specific to the development in the Cooper site is part of the stadium. It’s a token but thanks for your indulgence.

    I’m sure the folks you’ve “talked” to are interested. I would be based on the questions you guys ask. “Do you like money?” Do you want a job that pays money? …

    #373559

    BeerMan
    Member

    Parker wrote >>

    CooperGuy wrote >>

    Parker wrote >>
    I’ve said it before – Cooper Park is the right idea in the wrong place. No other city in America has built a racetrack in its core. The focus on this being a low-income area is further proof that some in Central Ohio continue to assume that poor people should absorb the risks associated with risky developments.
    It makes more sense to move the Cooper Park near the Casino. Those activities go hand-in-hand as entertainment, and business and property owners in Westland are looking for educational facilities, have a ton of inexpensive retail space and commercial properties. Arshot could use the Westland Mall as the base for development and have a larger track to boot.

    Dontja think it might be a little difficult for any developer to create a specific re-use of Cooper Stadium at another location? You really haven’t been paying attention here.
    Annual ticket sales? Really?
    OK, Ok… but since you asked nicely, 54,832 the first year, 127,640 the second, 157,976 the third, then into the untold millions beyond. Give or take a couple dozen.
    Seriously, I’ve never heard an annual projection. I do know that the developer has made it clear in public statements that they would love to see the seats filled every weekend – including winter, as would any venue. Now before you go jumping up and down claiming that they want to hold 52 1/2 mile NASCAR Dayton 500 events, that includes all the variety of events possible. But even if it was 52 mini-500’s, if you couldn’t heat them, what’s the problem? I’m sure he would also love to see the initial 20,000 sq ft of office space filled from day one, with a waiting list as would any developer.
    The only selling that isn’t working is your attempt to paint the developer and supporters of this project as villains wanting to screw Franklinton. In sales, mis-information will always lose out to facts. But that’s Ok, keep going for it.
    Gotta go get some more signs made up though, you wouldn’t believe the number of requests from people that keep coming in, they seem encouraged by the prospect of new jobs and business development in their area – who woulda guessed?

    Yes, really. If that’s the so-called promise for support to the SWCA, then the SWCA should have an idea of what their cut will be. And, what kind of a business model doesn’t project their income? That’s just silly to state it that way.
    The only thing specific to the development in the Cooper site is part of the stadium. It’s a token but thanks for your indulgence.
    I’m sure the folks you’ve “talked” to are interested. I would be based on the questions you guys ask. “Do you like money?” Do you want a job that pays money? …

    I’m glad to see that the pathetically small amount that Arshot is committing to this project (both Cooper Park itself AND the contributions through the good neighbor agreement) is dwarfed by the HUGE investment you are making to help the community. Your pathetic.

    #373560
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Keep the personal insults out of this. It’s uncalled for.

    #373561

    SusanB
    Participant

    Especially when they are grammatically incorrect ;)

    #373564

    Tigertree
    Member

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    #373562

    Tigertree
    Member

    Oh come on.

    #373563

    Parker
    Participant

    Beerman = Hilliard… Me = Franklinton, I need not say anymore. But I will.

    If only all the selfless do-gooders who know what is best for Franklinton were able to just tell the residents what is right for them and make us do it, they wouldn’t worry about coming off as if they were just interested in their little hobby. These guys so desperately want to save us from ourselves and think this development is going to save the soul of Franklinton. If only those good intentions would be enough to make this project live up to the promises.

    But you can put lipstick on a pig and it’s still a pig. These guys come on here and act like they know our neighborhood. Their smoke and mirror strategy is straight out of Deegan’s “Managing Activism: A Guide to Dealing with Activists and Pressure Groups.” But you skipped a chapter. When your facts run dry, you resort to name calling. Well done.

    #373565

    CooperGuy
    Member

    Chris Sherman wrote
    then its up to arshot to finance and build. im curious how he is financing this. will banks lend on a project like this during this economic climate? would they loan money on a race track/complex? again time will tell. i think the financial end is another huge hurtle if not the biggest one. his bicentennial plaza was foreclosed on about a year ago. im sure his holdings are substantial though.

    This probably doesn’t answer your question specifically, but it might be helpful. I believe it was the during the December FAC meeting that Arshot laid out their investment schedule for the first few years. I don’t remember the exact numbers for each year, but it was something like 10-15 million the first year and incremental amounts for the following two or three years, with a projected total of 30-40 million. They have been open that this is a development project that will occur over a period of time.

    #373566

    rory
    Participant

    BeerMan wrote >>

    Parker wrote >>

    CooperGuy wrote >>

    Parker wrote >>
    I’ve said it before – Cooper Park is the right idea in the wrong place. No other city in America has built a racetrack in its core. The focus on this being a low-income area is further proof that some in Central Ohio continue to assume that poor people should absorb the risks associated with risky developments.
    It makes more sense to move the Cooper Park near the Casino. Those activities go hand-in-hand as entertainment, and business and property owners in Westland are looking for educational facilities, have a ton of inexpensive retail space and commercial properties. Arshot could use the Westland Mall as the base for development and have a larger track to boot.

    Dontja think it might be a little difficult for any developer to create a specific re-use of Cooper Stadium at another location? You really haven’t been paying attention here.
    Annual ticket sales? Really?
    OK, Ok… but since you asked nicely, 54,832 the first year, 127,640 the second, 157,976 the third, then into the untold millions beyond. Give or take a couple dozen.
    Seriously, I’ve never heard an annual projection. I do know that the developer has made it clear in public statements that they would love to see the seats filled every weekend – including winter, as would any venue. Now before you go jumping up and down claiming that they want to hold 52 1/2 mile NASCAR Dayton 500 events, that includes all the variety of events possible. But even if it was 52 mini-500’s, if you couldn’t heat them, what’s the problem? I’m sure he would also love to see the initial 20,000 sq ft of office space filled from day one, with a waiting list as would any developer.
    The only selling that isn’t working is your attempt to paint the developer and supporters of this project as villains wanting to screw Franklinton. In sales, mis-information will always lose out to facts. But that’s Ok, keep going for it.
    Gotta go get some more signs made up though, you wouldn’t believe the number of requests from people that keep coming in, they seem encouraged by the prospect of new jobs and business development in their area – who woulda guessed?

    Yes, really. If that’s the so-called promise for support to the SWCA, then the SWCA should have an idea of what their cut will be. And, what kind of a business model doesn’t project their income? That’s just silly to state it that way.
    The only thing specific to the development in the Cooper site is part of the stadium. It’s a token but thanks for your indulgence.
    I’m sure the folks you’ve “talked” to are interested. I would be based on the questions you guys ask. “Do you like money?” Do you want a job that pays money? …

    I’m glad to see that the pathetically small amount that Arshot is committing to this project (both Cooper Park itself AND the contributions through the good neighbor agreement) is dwarfed by the HUGE investment you are making to help the community. Your pathetic.

    Good Neighbor Agreements are virtually worthless unless you use the actual piece of paper as a weapon or incendiary device.

    from the city website:

    “These agreements are not legally binding”

    Community Relations Commission

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