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  • #373117

    HeySquare
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    A noise stigma. Crap… all you need to do is look at the thread about the noisy air conditioning unit thread to realize that noise is probably the single biggest thing that can cause make a neighborhood undesirable. How many times have you seen news stories where there are major drug rings or other problems, but the neighbors say “the neighbors were always quiet and we never had any problems with them”.

    How many real estate shows have I watched where the people say… “It’s a great house, but the street is kind of noisy.” They usually don’t buy the house.

    Noise is a problem. Sporadic noise even more so. I was at a friend’s house for a barbeque one evening, and a neighbor was mowing his lawn at 8PM on a Saturday evening. It was *really* annoying.

    I suggest that the developer conduct noise testing. Set up some speakers, and play racing sounds at about the noise level that they expect to see in the surrounding neighborhoods. If the noise isn’t going to be an impact, they shouldn’t be afraid to run a pre-development test.

    #373118

    CooperGuy
    Member

    HeySquare wrote >>
    A noise stigma. Crap… all you need to do is look at the thread about the noisy air conditioning unit thread to realize that noise is probably the single biggest thing that can cause make a neighborhood undesirable. How many times have you seen news stories where there are major drug rings or other problems, but the neighbors say “the neighbors were always quiet and we never had any problems with them”.
    How many real estate shows have I watched where the people say… “It’s a great house, but the street is kind of noisy.” They usually don’t buy the house.
    Noise is a problem. Sporadic noise even more so. I was at a friend’s house for a barbeque one evening, and a neighbor was mowing his lawn at 8PM on a Saturday evening. It was *really* annoying.
    I suggest that the developer conduct noise testing. Set up some speakers, and play racing sounds at about the noise level that they expect to see in the surrounding neighborhoods. If the noise isn’t going to be an impact, they shouldn’t be afraid to run a pre-development test.

    How do you propose they run a noise test that would include a sound absorbing wall? Because the complex doesn’t physically exist, isn’t that why both sides hired high dollar sound consultants? Both consultants agree it can work.

    So where is any data that shows home values decreasing due to a nearby race track? Something a little more substantial than a rumor or hearsay. Bet we can find examples where neighborhoods have grown or developed in the areas near tracks.

    #373119

    bababoohi
    Member

    JimSweeney wrote >>
    “It would be nearly impossible to truly know how much noise this track would really make until it’s built.”
    and that is exactly why people are concerned.

    I understand that. My point is that many of the concerned people, especially people from miles away, like GV, aren’t basing their fears off of experience. If they were, they’d probably realize that most racetracks don’t have sound barriers, yet they’re still hardly audible from less than one mile away. Again, I’m basing this off of a lot of experience, not studies. However, my ears know what they hear and these tracks aren’t designed minimize sound and are in areas with virtually no noise pollution to compete with (off the highway in fields and valleys). You can usually even have a cell phone conversation behind the grandstands b/c it’s dampened quite a bit by the wall, seats and people. I would have to think that soundproofing the walls and building the track specifically to keep sound in check would do wonders.
    I understand why people are concerned and afraid, but if you go to some local racetracks that AREN’T soundproofed, and go just a few hundred yards away, I think you’ll see what I’m saying. It’s simply not that loud.
    I’m also still curious about what CDS Sherman means by “stigma”.

    #373120

    SusanB
    Participant

    bababoohi – I have no idea what racetracks you go to but Mid Ohio is really loud. Standing on pit row when the big block Chevys go by is pretty deafening. You can easily hear them for 1 mile away or further. Turbo cars are quieter, but I’m not sure that the Cooper Stadium track will only run turbos. Anything without a muffler is loud if it doesn’t have a turbo on it. I would never want to live near a track- too noisy.

    #373121

    CDS sherman
    Member

    bababoohi wrote >>
    “hell even if it was quiet, it will still create a stigma”
    What would that stigma be?

    stigma meaning potentially loud obnoxious race track please dont drag me down that path….. this is not a class issue.

    #373122

    Roland
    Participant

    I’ve spent time at Mid Ohio and didn’t think it was that loud when in the adjacent campground or parking areas.

    #373123

    jackoh
    Participant

    Roland wrote >>
    I’ve spent time at Mid Ohio and didn’t think it was that loud when in the adjacent campground or parking areas.

    So would you be agreeable to locating this racing facility in the arena district parcel now vacated by the west side casino?

    #373124

    CDS sherman
    Member

    CooperGuy wrote >>

    HeySquare wrote >>
    A noise stigma. Crap… all you need to do is look at the thread about the noisy air conditioning unit thread to realize that noise is probably the single biggest thing that can cause make a neighborhood undesirable. How many times have you seen news stories where there are major drug rings or other problems, but the neighbors say “the neighbors were always quiet and we never had any problems with them”.
    How many real estate shows have I watched where the people say… “It’s a great house, but the street is kind of noisy.” They usually don’t buy the house.
    Noise is a problem. Sporadic noise even more so. I was at a friend’s house for a barbeque one evening, and a neighbor was mowing his lawn at 8PM on a Saturday evening. It was *really* annoying.
    I suggest that the developer conduct noise testing. Set up some speakers, and play racing sounds at about the noise level that they expect to see in the surrounding neighborhoods. If the noise isn’t going to be an impact, they shouldn’t be afraid to run a pre-development test.

    How do you propose they run a noise test that would include a sound absorbing wall? Because the complex doesn’t physically exist, isn’t that why both sides hired high dollar sound consultants? Both consultants agree it can work.
    So where is any data that shows home values decreasing due to a nearby race track? Something a little more substantial than a rumor or hearsay. Bet we can find examples where neighborhoods have grown or developed in the areas near tracks.

    please so me data where building a race track in the middle of a urban neighborhood increases the residential property value. jesus christ! arshot is getting 47 acres for 3.5 million dollars, thats a hell of deal! too bad his bicentennial building on civic center went into foreclosure. yeah thats pretty reassuring btw. and its not data that i was referring to its a discloser.

    you know im sure you could find umpteen million reasons why development never sprawled in southfield but im sure the Columbus motor speedway didnt help…. i have raced 2 seasons of crash o rama on that track too. you dont build race tracks in dense neighborhoods in the middle of the city and please spare me the “sound wall data” bull shit thanks.

    #373125

    Roland
    Participant

    jackoh wrote >>

    Roland wrote >>
    I’ve spent time at Mid Ohio and didn’t think it was that loud when in the adjacent campground or parking areas.

    So would you be agreeable to locating this racing facility in the arena district parcel now vacated by the west side casino?

    Yes, I would.

    #373126

    CDS sherman
    Member

    dont temp roland….lol

    #373127

    jackoh
    Participant

    Roland wrote >>

    jackoh wrote >>

    Roland wrote >>
    I’ve spent time at Mid Ohio and didn’t think it was that loud when in the adjacent campground or parking areas.

    So would you be agreeable to locating this racing facility in the arena district parcel now vacated by the west side casino?

    Yes, I would.

    I have to (genuinely) applaud you!

    #373128

    CDS sherman
    Member

    i bet you could build it in the AD. would it revert vic vill back into the “ghetto”? i seriously doubt it. but if you built it in the “ghetto” will it improve it? i seriously doubt it…. im just saying. you know boots never came on by to interview me or any of the other residents who stay down here in east franklinton?` riverside bradley has like what maybe 300 residents. again im just saying.

    #373129

    JimSweeney
    Participant

    bababoohi wrote >>

    JimSweeney wrote >>
    “It would be nearly impossible to truly know how much noise this track would really make until it’s built.”
    and that is exactly why people are concerned.

    I understand that. My point is that many of the concerned people, especially people from miles away, like GV, aren’t basing their fears off of experience. If they were, they’d probably realize that most racetracks don’t have sound barriers, yet they’re still hardly audible from less than one mile away. Again, I’m basing this off of a lot of experience, not studies. However, my ears know what they hear and these tracks aren’t designed minimize sound and are in areas with virtually no noise pollution to compete with (off the highway in fields and valleys). You can usually even have a cell phone conversation behind the grandstands b/c it’s dampened quite a bit by the wall, seats and people. I would have to think that soundproofing the walls and building the track specifically to keep sound in check would do wonders.
    I understand why people are concerned and afraid, but if you go to some local racetracks that AREN’T soundproofed, and go just a few hundred yards away, I think you’ll see what I’m saying. It’s simply not that loud.
    I’m also still curious about what CDS Sherman means by “stigma”.

    you are clearly trying to work a classism angle. this makes me wonder about your legitimacy and your motivation. if your argument is valid, why can’t you stick to a point?

    #373130

    michaelcoyote
    Participant

    Roland wrote >>
    I’ve spent time at Mid Ohio and didn’t think it was that loud when in the adjacent campground or parking areas.

    Mid-Ohio is built kinda down in the valley while all the camping is up towards top of the hill. There’s plenty of natural sound deadening there. That front stretch (the keyhole) at the top of the hill there gets plenty loud.

    I think there’s a reason most motor speedways are built out in the country and not in the middle of the city. I mean I love the sound of an engine at speed, but not while I’m taking a mid afternoon nap in my hammock, and defiantly not when I’m burying a family member. :-p

    #373131

    jackoh
    Participant

    CDS sherman wrote >>
    i bet you could build it in the AD. would it revert vic vill back into the “ghetto”? i seriously doubt it. but if you built it by the “ghetto” will it improve it? i seriously doubt it…. im just saying.

    So if Roland is in agreement that the race track facility works for the AD, can we count on Nationwide and the Dispatch to support this also?

    One other question, if you are there, how can that area be considered a “ghetto”? And I ask this question because I have seen your work and it is characteristic of something well beyond what anyone would confuse with the use of the term “ghetto” and also well beyond most of the work that lies in the area to the east and north of where you are.

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