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  • #81814
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
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    Past News:

    http://www.columbusunderground.com/tag/cooper-stadium

    http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/tags/cooper-stadium

    The latest:

    Expert: Noise will be minimal in village

    Friday, May 21, 2010

    By GARY SEMAN JR.

    ThisWeek Staff Writer

    Noise from a proposed racetrack at the former Cooper Stadium likely will have a profound effect on the immediate neighborhood but not as much on German Village, according to a consultant’s report.

    Acoustics expert Eric Zwerling said that based on his sound models, noise drifting from Cooper Park would be considerable for Franklinton and those attending services in Green Lawn Cemetery.

    But if the weather conditions are right, those who live and work in German Village, Merion Village, Schumacher Place and neighborhoods across the Scioto River might not even hear the engines grinding on Fridays and Saturdays when races will be held — though that will be variable, Zwerling said.

    READ MORE: http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/germanvillage/stories/2010/05/19/Racetrack-noise-will-have-minimal-effect-on-German-Village.html?sid=104

    #373088

    JimSweeney
    Participant

    phew. that’s a relief. it’s good to know the noise won’t be profound and considerable anywhere but in Franklinton!

    #373089

    Talcott
    Member

    Gah! I haven’t been following this story much, but “…if the weather conditions are right, those who live and work in German Village, Merion Village, Schumacher Place and neighborhoods across the Scioto River might not even hear the engines grinding on Fridays and Saturdays when races will be held” makes it sound like the noise would be unbearably loud close to the source.

    Not knowing much about racing, I can’t figure out why it would be that noisy. I would think it wouldn’t be all that much worse than a busy freeway (maybe double that), which could be easily mitigated by sound barriers ringing the track, but if it’s reaching German Village, it must be a good bit louder than that. Is it just the nature of the race car engines, or is the proposed design of the track part of the sound-leaking issue?

    #373090
    Snarf
    Snarf
    Participant

    lol @ “grinding” engines. are they making coffee?

    pulverizing, granulating, pestling, braying, pulverizing engines!!

    #373091
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    JimSweeney wrote >>
    phew. that’s a relief. it’s good to know the noise won’t be profound and considerable anywhere but in Franklinton!

    Well, to be fair, the article appeared in the German Village edition of This Week News, so it was written specifically for the residents of that area.

    But yeah… doesn’t sound like a good deal for Franklinton in terms of noise.

    #373092
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Friday, May 21, 2010
    Struggle is engaged over Cooper Park development
    BUSINESS FIRST OF COLUMBUS – BY Jeff Bell

    The lobbying pace is quickening over a plan to convert Cooper Stadium to a motorsports complex as Columbus community groups try to drum up support for their positions on the controversial proposal.

    The German Village Business Community trade group recently asked the Coleman administration to join it in opposing the proposed Cooper Park project in Franklinton, claiming noise from racing events would jeopardize the future of their businesses.

    READ MORE: http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2010/05/24/story3.html?b=1274673600%5E3391131

    #373093

    JimSweeney
    Participant

    one quick correction to the first story: “ROAR is composed of representatives from many South Side neighborhoods, including German Village and Merion Village, as well as businesses and environmental groups.’ There are at least two members of ROAR who own homes in Franklinton: one who has been there for 48 years and one who bought two years ago. This is important to note because the FOR people are trying to paint ROAR as having no legitimacy in Franklinton.

    #373094

    CooperGuy
    Member

    It’s interesting that the ROAR sound consultant, in answers to questioning at the SWAC meeting, confirmed that the developer’s noise model is accurate and basically inferred that sound levels can only be too loud if you assume louder cars than those that will be allowed to race at the track.

    The Arshot sound abatement plan (types of cars/walls/lowering the track grade) is specifically designed to keep the racing noise within the city code and succeeds at that – per both experts. Since the ROAR consultant has now agreed that the Arshot plan can work, and if it’s stated goals are to keep the noise levels at or below the city regulations, then how can he also claim it will have a “profound” effect on Franklinton? Especially since the existing freeway noise is well over the 65dbA daytime city code?

    He knows very well that it’s a workable plan, but that’s not who wrote his check.

    #373095

    JimSweeney
    Participant

    thanks Cooper Guy for clearing that up.

    #373096

    CooperGuy
    Member

    No problem.

    #373097

    JimSweeney
    Participant

    CooperGuy wrote >>
    It’s interesting that the ROAR sound consultant, in answers to questioning at the SWAC meeting, confirmed that the developer’s noise model is accurate and basically inferred that sound levels can only be too loud if you assume louder cars than those that will be allowed to race at the track.
    The Arshot sound abatement plan (types of cars/walls/lowering the track grade) is specifically designed to keep the racing noise within the city code and succeeds at that – per both experts. Since the ROAR consultant has now agreed that the Arshot plan can work, and if it’s stated goals are to keep the noise levels at or below the city regulations, then how can he also claim it will have a “profound” effect on Franklinton? Especially since the existing freeway noise is well over the 65dbA daytime city code?
    He knows very well that it’s a workable plan, but that’s not who wrote his check.

    i didn’t know there was a sound abatement plan. is that something you can share?

    #373098

    CooperGuy
    Member

    The Arshot/HMMH study is a plan that describes sound abatement measures necessary to achieve the included goals;

    From the HMMH study;

    The study involved the measurement of existing noise levels in noise-sensitive areas surrounding the site, modeling of predicted racing noise levels during an expected loud hour of racing, evaluation of the noise requirements in the City of Columbus noise ordinance, and development of noise abatement measures for the race track to ensure substantial compliance with the ordinance.

    and;

    5.1 Noise modeling goal
    A primary goal of the noise modeling process was to develop feasible noise abatement measures on the Cooper Park race track property that would allow racing to occur without exceeding the City’s noise ordinance to any significant degree. As a result, several noise barrier configurations were evaluated
    during the modeling process. A particular challenge to achieving the City’s noise limits is the south property line with the Green Lawn Cemetery, which is relatively close to the proposed track. However,
    with a tall double-barrier system, the City’s noise limits can be achieved.

    The purpose of the Arshot study is obviously not intended to justify something that already exists, it’s goal is to suggest and create effective sound abatement measures (a plan) for this project. That’s an important point that some choose to disregard – it’s a proactive action. Once this was presented to Arshot it was up to them to decide whether or not they wanted to commit the investment necessary to comply with the measures. It’s been suggested before, but never has a race track developer committed to completely encircling a track with a wall of this extent – until Arshot chose to follow those recommendations. Basically, they said, OK, we’ll spend the money to make it work. And as Schottenstien stated during the first SWAC meeting, he has no desire or intention to continually fight with anyone. So they will do it right from the beginning.

    The bottom line is that both sound consultants agree that if the racing noise levels inside the walls are as described in the HMMH study, (plan) then the noise levels outside the walls will meet the city regulations in all but an extremely limited area. Those extremely limited areas are already beyond the city regulations due to the freeway. They actually agree.

    As you are a Franklinton Commissioner, I would suggest that you sit down with Arshot representatives to ask these questions directly. I’m sure they would welcome the opportunity to answer your questions/concerns.

    Sorry for the long post.

    #373099

    Urbanboi
    Member

    In favor of Cooper Park….thats just me speaking for myself.

    #373100

    roy
    Participant

    CooperGuy wrote >>
    As you are a Franklinton Commissioner, I would suggest that you sit down with Arshot representatives to ask these questions directly. I’m sure they would welcome the opportunity to answer your questions/concerns. Sorry for the long post.

    It doesn’t help your cause, CooperGuyBill, to respond sarcastically to Franklinton AC members and others who oppose a controversial development proposal.

    If the applicant can convice Greenlawn and the nursing home of the noise ‘science’ they purchased, a lot of others would be convinced to go along with the race track plan too. Linda Burkey is an extremely bright & fair minded businesswoman. Try selling her on the noise plan for starters.

    #373101

    CooperGuy
    Member

    Not needing to help my cause at all, Roygina. The facts speak for themselves. Some may choose to ignore them, that’s their prerogative.

    No sarcasm intended for Jim Sweeny, and sorry if it sounded that way, but a web forum is a place for opinion, and a lousy place for details – if he wants details, the source is a better place to go.

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