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  • #100222

    Bear
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    Columbus has 17 charter school failures in one year

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    At the beginning of 2013, one long-struggling charter school closed. Over the summer, five more did. And in the fall, 11 more Columbus charters closed their doors, most of them brand new.

    That’s 17 charter schools in Columbus closed in one year, which records show is unprecedented.

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    #557702

    I saw this too.

    I feel bad for Andrew Boy -he’s built a great program, and I’m sure it gets lumped in with the shyster networks all the time. I have many peers with kids in charter schools, although it’s not my choice, it’s a choice they made when the city schools were wholly unresponsive to reasonable concerns.

    #557703

    myliftkk
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    Interesting data point.

    A Dispatch analysis of state data found that 29 percent of Ohio’s charter schools have shut, dating to 1997 when the publicly funded but often privately run schools became legal in Ohio.

    #557704

    joev
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    Charter schools are a cancer.

    #557705

    gramarye
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    Well, from the point of view of their defenders on a systemic level, the fact that charter schools can fail is a feature, not a bug … and the fact that failing public schools are generally not allowed to actually fold is a bug, not a feature. The fact that 29% have failed means that the vast majority have not (though, of course, some of the other 71% might fail in the coming years, while more might open). The goal isn’t to have every single charter school succeed. It’s to have the good ones grow and the bad ones go.

    #557706

    GCrites80s
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    myliftkk said:
    Interesting data point.

    A Dispatch analysis of state data found that 29 percent of Ohio’s charter schools have shut, dating to 1997 when the publicly funded but often privately run schools became legal in Ohio.

    Sounds like a below average failure rate for businesses.

    But that’s a tradeoff you have to make. Businesses close. Your kid’s school might be awesome but doesn’t turn a profit. Maybe it’s awesome becuase it doesn’t turn a profit. The next school might be crappier and more expensive but profitable. The benefits of profit motive can be outpaced by the burden of profit need at any type of business.

    The biggest help to any private school is that they get to refuse kids, not the introduction of profit motive. And that’s fine. When I transitioned to public school from private I immediate noticed how much of the public school’s time, effort and resources went into the poor, troublesome and slow kids. And this was at a suburban and later an exurban school. I actually started getting in trouble so that I could get the kind of attention that those kids got.

    #557707

    joev
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    The actual goal is to give children a free, comprehensive education.

    #557708

    Eugene_C
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    People who think education should be market-based will argue that some charter schools should fail and close, because that is the way competition weeds out the bad in favor of the good.

    The only problem in this case is that there are actual human kids involved who now have how many years of education down the tubes while their schools failed and who are now at a disadvantage going forward.

    #557709
    rus
    rus
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    joev said:
    The actual goal is to give children a free, comprehensive education.

    Then public schools are an abject failure since they’re not free, but paid for with taxes.

    #557710
    rus
    rus
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    Eugene_C said:

    The only problem in this case is that there are actual human kids involved who now have how many years of education down the tubes while their schools failed and who are now at a disadvantage going forward.

    Which is also a problem at failing public schools as well, right? I mean, it’s not every public school that gets investigated by the FBI.

    #557711

    gramarye
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    When something is provided by the government, it is not “free.” When it comes to education, government-provided education is not only never “free,” it is also seldom “comprehensive.”

    The goal is to give children as comprehensive an education as possible. The government sucks at it and it is about time that other alternatives were at least allowed to try. So some fail. No one said educating kids was easy.

    #557712

    joev
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    rus said:
    Then public schools are an abject failure since they’re not free, but paid for with taxes.

    The cost belongs to the school system, not the student.

    #557713
    rus
    rus
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    gramarye said:
    When something is provided by the government, it is not “free.”

    Yes.

    Someone is paying. Always.

    joev said:
    The cost belongs to the school system, not the student.

    The school system gets their money from the parents of the student, one way or another.

    #557714

    kit444
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    rus said:
    Yes.

    Someone is paying. Always.

    The school system gets their money from the parents of the studenttaxpayers, one way or another.

    FTFY. Not always the same on the venn diagram.

    What’s the impact on these kids when their charter schools fail in the middle of the school year?

    #557715
    rus
    rus
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    kit444 said:
    FTFY. Not always the same on the venn diagram.

    Ah, good point. You’re right; “taxpayers” is better than “parents” there.

    Was thinking more of private schools ( tuition paid by parents directly ) as well rather than public / charter schools exclusively.

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