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New Columbia Gas HQ Building in The Arena District

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  • #438704

    Graybeak
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    InnerCore said:
    He doesn’t take those findings and then use them to implement traffic regulations about the turn radii, speed limits, road widths, median placement, etc.

    Well no, he wouldn’t, that would be the job of a traffic engineer.

    #438705

    InnerCore
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    Graybeak said:
    Well no, he wouldn’t, that would be the job of a traffic engineer.

    Which goes back to my original point. Our traffic codes are designed primarily from the perspective of traffic.

    #438706

    Graybeak
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    InnerCore said:
    Which goes back to my original point. Our traffic codes are designed primarily from the perspective of traffic.

    Yeah, because they are traffic codes.

    #438707

    Graybeak
    Participant

    Here is a nice story about the roads in Florida. It is a couple years old, but relevant to the whole conversation here that isn’t actually about the new home of Columbia Gas.

    N Y T article

    #438708
    Josh Lapp
    Josh Lapp
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    neekap said:
    You are worried that crossing a single, wide street is going to give people a negative impression of our city? Unless they’ve never been to a city before, I think anyone who managed to make it down there can cross a street at an intersection with traffic and pedestrian signals. If it’s so scary and dangerous, how many vehicle/pedestrian incidents have there been on that stretch of Neil?

    The district is getting an additional 650 people when the Columbia Gas building is finished, and even if 20% of those people took the bus, walked, carpooled, or biked, you’re talking an additional 500 cars that need to go SOMEWHERE. Couple that with the people who will move into Flats II, as well as any other new tenant that may move into any of the nearby buildings, and it’s pretty clear that you’re never going to be able to reduce traffic in the short term.

    Your Utopian solution is going to involve a lot more affordable housing to get people to move into the area, more commercial development so they can work near where they live (reduces the need for cars), and have some sort of functional mass transit system to even further reduce the need for cars.

    I suspect you have never actually walked across Neil at Vine where thousands of other people who are attending concerts or baseball games do. A large amount of people (even those who are driving, then parking, then walking) cross Neil Ave at Vine because it is the only crosswalk, others jaywalk because there is no cross walk to get to the LC.

    Yes this road, which probably more visitors than residents have to walk across, gives me and anyone else crossing it and impression that they are crossing a highway. This highway is adjacent to 3 of our cities best attractions. The lack of attention to pedestrians shows.

    I’m not sorry if a driver has to wait an extra minute because we were more concerned about properly planning for pedestrians than cars.

    #438709

    InnerCore
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    Graybeak said:
    Yeah, because they are traffic codes.

    Yes but pedestrians, bicyclist, etc. use the same space. The regulations should be made from the stand point of how do we make this public space safe and efficient for all who use it.

    Instead we have a government bureaucracy that imposes regulations that are designed primarily at the state and federal level primarily for automobiles. And then after they’ve designed whats best for automobiles they go back and try to squeeze in some decent things for pedestrians and bicyclist as an after thought.

    #438710

    Pablo
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    InnerCore said:
    Yes but pedestrians, bicyclist, etc. use the same space. The regulations should be made from the stand point of how do we make this public space safe and efficient for all who use it.

    Instead we have a government bureaucracy that imposes regulations that are designed primarily at the state and federal level primarily for automobiles. And then after they’ve designed whats best for automobiles they go back and try to squeeze in some decent things for pedestrians and bicyclist as an after thought.

    Sadly true.

    #438711

    heresthecasey
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    Here’s the more precise wording of the scope of work being done for this project. Disappointingly, all of the “improvements” seem to be widening streets and adding more lanes to intersections which are already exceedingly wide and very unfriendly to pedestrians.

    The Roadway Improvements – Neil Avenue, Project No. 440104-100009 consists of the next phase of roadway improvements in the area known as Arena West. The project will make improvements to Neil Avenue between Nationwide Boulevard to the south and Vine Street to the north and will include: restriping south of Nationwide Boulevard to add a third northbound thru lane and to realign the northbound left turn lane with below-mentioned lane improvements north of Nationwide Boulevard; replacing the treed median with full depth pavement and restriping between Nationwide Boulevard and Brodbelt Lane to add a second southbound left turn lane at Nationwide Boulevard and a third northbound thru lane; widening and restriping between Brodbelt Lane and Vine Street to add a third southbound thru lane; widening and restriping between Vine Street and Spruce Street to add a southbound right turn lane at Vine Street and a third southbound thru lane; and resurfacing from the start point of lane improvements south of Nationwide Boulevard to Spruce Street.

    Improvements to Vine Street will include: widening to add a second eastbound right-turn lane; restriping to add a second eastbound thru lane via conversion of the previous westernmost eastbound right turn lane; resurfacing (all eastbound lanes only) from the start point of lane improvements west of Neil Avenue to Neil Avenue; widening to add a westbound right turn lane at Neil Avenue; and resurfacing (northernmost westbound thru lane only) from Neil Avenue to end point of lane improvements.

    http://columbus.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=1426362&GUID=0EA27E51-6981-4DC7-96E1-C73C989AC56A

    Passed unanimously and without discussion (surprise, surprise) by Council on May 13th.

    #438712
    Jason Powell
    Jason Powell
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    Wow, that was an incredibly boring report to read. What’s worse is that we actually hire and pay a ridiculous amount of money to people to give us excruciating reports like this to read when I can take a chair and a thermos of coffee down on the corner for a day, for free, and tell you what needs done as far as pedestrian and bike infrastructure. It’s not that hard.

    To highlight another point, traffic engineers are just that. They are not educated in college or trained for planning around pedestrians and bicyclists. There is one goal and one goal only; to move vehicles as quickly and efficiently as possible, which is downright sad and a huge flaw in the planning world.

    #438713
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    InnerCore said:
    Yes but pedestrians, bicyclist, etc. use the same space. The regulations should be made from the stand point of how do we make this public space safe and efficient for all who use it.

    Instead we have a government bureaucracy that imposes regulations that are designed primarily at the state and federal level primarily for automobiles. And then after they’ve designed whats best for automobiles they go back and try to squeeze in some decent things for pedestrians and bicyclist as an after thought.

    If only Columbus had a Complete Streets policy!

    http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/complete-streets/complete-streets-fundamentals/complete-streets-faq

    Oh wait…

    http://publicservice.columbus.gov/uploadedFiles/Public_Service/Transportation/Mobility/0151x-2008%20complete%20streets%20resolution.pdf

    #438714

    lattethunder
    Participant

    InnerCore said:
    While I would normally agree to defer to the experts, that may not be the best in cases like this. Unfortunately we don’t have pedestrian engineers we have traffic engineers. Traffic engineers study how to best direct the flow of traffic. Heck most of the places that are friendly to pedestrians would have never been built if they had to live up to todays standards and traffic codes.

    +1, this should be said twice.

    #438715

    InnerCore
    Participant

    Walker said:
    If only Columbus had a Complete Streets policy!

    http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/complete-streets/complete-streets-fundamentals/complete-streets-faq

    Oh wait…

    http://publicservice.columbus.gov/uploadedFiles/Public_Service/Transportation/Mobility/0151x-2008%20complete%20streets%20resolution.pdf

    A step in the right direction but clearly not yet to the finish line. That would be like signing the emancipation proclamation, wiping your hands and saying the jobs over. A complete streets policy is really going to be as good as the people implementing it at the time. And more than likely most of the people, especially in Ohio would have lived their whole lives viewing cars are the superior mode of transit.

    On top of which that is city legislation. It doesn’t affect state and federal roads. So for example 3rd and 4th are one way state roads coming off a federal highway. The city really doesn’t have the ability push a complete street strategy on these streets. We have a similar issue here where the city is trying to swap certain roads with the state so that they can implement a strategy that would make it more effective here because the State can’t/won’t do it because it is against their regulations.

    #438716

    neekap
    Participant

    joshlapp said:
    I suspect you have never actually walked across Neil at Vine where thousands of other people who are attending concerts or baseball games do. A large amount of people (even those who are driving, then parking, then walking) cross Neil Ave at Vine because it is the only crosswalk, others jaywalk because there is no cross walk to get to the LC.

    I work in the district, so yes, I’m on foot in the area quite a bit. And there is a crosswalk literally right in front of the LC at Brodbelt where Flats II and the Columbia Gas building are, not to mention the crosswalk a half block south at Nationwide Arena.

    I see more people parking either at the McConnell garage or the other garages closer to where the former Arena Grand Theater is and utilizing those crosswalks more than Vine for ball games, since parking for ball games is significantly cheaper than other events in the district.

    #438717

    ehill27
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    Columbia Gas HQ bought by investors in LeVeque, Bicentennial Plaza
    Brian R. Ball – Business First
    Wednesday, October 2, 2013, 5:56pm EDT

    http://m.bizjournals.com/columbus/blog/2013/10/columbia-gas-hq-bought-by-investors-in.html

    #438718
    Tight Ropewalker
    Tight Ropewalker
    Participant

    Thanks for the article, ehill27. Given the location and style, I guess I don’t see the old HQ building as a mixed use property like LeVeque Tower if they’re renovating. Ya think?

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