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  • #89226
    Josh Lapp
    Josh Lapp
    Participant

    Interested in Cleveland Ave BRT? Please take 5 min and fill out this COTA survey
    You can also view the North Corridor Alternative Analysis public presentation
    For more information check out this past CU Story

    #471637

    Pablo
    Participant

    Here’s an update:

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    COTA studying speedy bus route
    By Robert Vitale
    The Columbus Dispatch
    Sunday January 8, 2012 5:49 AM

    The Central Ohio Transit Authority will hit the road next month to begin gathering ideas for public-transportation improvements between Downtown, the Northeast Side and beyond. A new service that’s quicker than a local-route bus but makes more stops than an express route remains the most-likely option. It’s called “bus rapid transit,” and it’s rapidly gaining favor nationwide and already has been implemented in Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Boston, Kansas City, Mo., and other cities.

    READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/01/08/cota-studying-speedy-bus-route.html

    #471638

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    Love this vid from Street Films on BRT. Hopefully gets it right and we can see further expansion of a BRT system in CMH.

    http://www.streetfilms.org/mba-bus-rapid-transit/

    #471639

    bjones7
    Participant

    More BRTs in Columbus would not be a bad idea in the future. Let COTA and the tax payers see how the Cleveland Ave BRT does first. I believe a BRT on Broad St should be looked into next, especially with the new Casino. I hope COTA will be smart about the design of the BRT system , for I believe this is what Columbus needs. Oh and maybe Columbus could use some LIMITED service bus lines as well? (for the #2). Limited bus services are cheap to start up and can be implemented along current bus routes.

    #471640
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Broad Street is definitely wide enough to accomodate a separate BRT lane. More-so than Cleveland Avenue. The #10 is a very busy route too. Would great to see BRT studied there next.

    #471641

    columbusmike
    Participant

    A BRT system makes a lot of sense for Columbus for now. I’d like to see a downtown BRT route go out to the airport for our incoming guests.

    I’m surprised a High Street route isn’t being considered. Are they still holding out for a streetcar?

    #471642

    Pickerington_Kyle
    Participant

    I’d like to see BRT, and a light rail. If we don’t do the street car, I’d still be happy with BRT.

    #471643

    leftovers
    Member

    I think they should connect this Cleveland Ave BRT route to Easton.

    #471644
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    columbusmike said:
    A BRT system makes a lot of sense for Columbus for now. I’d like to see a downtown BRT route go out to the airport for our incoming guests.

    Perhaps a Broad Street route could cut North at James Road and end at the Airport?

    Otherwise, I’d think that a smaller shuttle bus (like the one that runs the #12) would make for a better Airport line that loops to Downtown hotels, Convention Center, OSU and back and forth to the airport.

    columbusmike said:
    I’m surprised a High Street route isn’t being considered. Are they still holding out for a streetcar?

    I hope so. I also hope we’ll find out more in February:

    State of the City 2012 – Feb 29

    #471645

    lifeontwowheels
    Participant

    Walker said:
    Broad Street is definitely wide enough to accomodate a separate BRT lane. More-so than Cleveland Avenue. The #10 is a very busy route too. Would great to see BRT studied there next.

    I really hope whatever BRT system/line we end up with it does just this and isn’t just a fancy bus route.

    #471646

    Polis
    Participant

    columbusmike said:
    I’m surprised a High Street route isn’t being considered. Are they still holding out for a streetcar?

    “They”? As in the government as a whole? The streetcar is a city project, COTA has little say in the construction but said they would run operations. I wouldn’t be surprised if this BRT is not even built at all, the city is yelling at COTA to remove buses from High St., COTA refused. How likely is it that the city will now give dedicated lanes to COTA?

    #471647
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Polis said:
    “They”? As in the government as a whole? The streetcar is a city project, COTA has little say in the construction but said they would run operations. I wouldn’t be surprised if this BRT is not even built at all, the city is yelling at COTA to remove buses from High St., COTA refused. How likely is it that the city will now give dedicated lanes to COTA?

    I don’t think BRT always requires dedicated lanes.

    #471648

    Polis
    Participant

    It doesn’t; I should have mentioned that signal priority, another vital component of a BRT, requires upgraded traffic signals and I think the city only plans on doing those north of Oakland Park. Meaning signal priotization is not possible without further significant investment in the intersections. Most of the intersections are controlled by the city, with the exception of some county ROW’s, so how likely is it for the city to approve upgrading the intersections? I dunno, but I bet it will be a fight with the anti-transit on High St. folks.

    Without any sort of dedicated lanes and only signal priority the speeds on the BRT would still be fairly low. Signal priority is great, but without a dedicated lane the bus is in mixed traffic and at the mercy of congestion. It would function more as a limited stop local service rather than the image invoked by BRT, at least to me. Curb-side boarding, no off-board fare collection, no dedicated lanes and possible limited signal priority do not sound very promising. Plus the sort of funding they are after, “Small Starts”, doesn’t leave much funding for restructuring the right of way.

    What I’m getting at is the city better hop on board or it’s going to be lack luster.

    #471649
    Josh Lapp
    Josh Lapp
    Participant

    Polis said:
    It doesn’t; I should have mentioned that signal priority, another vital component of a BRT, requires upgraded traffic signals and I think the city only plans on doing those north of Oakland Park. Meaning signal priotization is not possible without further significant investment in the intersections. Most of the intersections are controlled by the city, with the exception of some county ROW’s, so how likely is it for the city to approve upgrading the intersections? I dunno, but I bet it will be a fight with the anti-transit on High St. folks.

    Without any sort of dedicated lanes and only signal priority the speeds on the BRT would still be fairly low. Signal priority is great, but without a dedicated lane the bus is in mixed traffic and at the mercy of congestion. It would function more as a limited stop local service rather than the image invoked by BRT, at least to me. Curb-side boarding, no off-board fare collection, no dedicated lanes and possible limited signal priority do not sound very promising. Plus the sort of funding they are after, “Small Starts”, doesn’t leave much funding for restructuring the right of way.

    What I’m getting at is the city better hop on board or it’s going to be lack luster.

    Its not just about the city either. Its also about the citizens. Have you taken the time to fill out the survey and voice your concerns? A big part of the reason that COTA chose not to move forward with the #1 realignment was because of so much negative feedback from riders and the input meetings.

    Here is the link to the presentation and survey. It takes 5 minutes to fill out.
    COTA survey
    North Corridor Alternative Analysis public presentation

    #471650
    Walker Evans
    Walker Evans
    Keymaster

    Polis said:I bet it will be a fight with the anti-transit on High St. folks.

    The High Street issue was not one of anti-transit. It was a concern with moving transit from one street to another. I don’t think bus relocation efforts will have a big negative impact on BRT plans in the way that you’re making it sound. But I guess we’ll see as the study progresses…

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