The following discussion is about Kroger’s plans to demolish and rebuild their store near 5th Ave in the Short North/Weinland Park area. Many have thought this store could use a revamp or major cleaning up for a long time. Changing this store will be a boon for the area.



I completely agree with what you are saying, and understand where you are coming from. I mean cigars and wine in Weiland Park? Let’s be real, this serves mostly campus students and those of a lesser income. However, I also see the writing on the wall. Weiland park is not going to be an area for lower class residents in another 10 years. Since it is my belief that this is inevitably going to happen, let’s put in a project that will last us twenty or thirty or forty years, not one that we will want to tear down in another ten years, as the neighborhood continues to be improved.
You don’t think people from Harrison West, Victorian Village and Italian Village will use this store if it’s fixed up and has a better selection? I would love not having to drive to the Brewery District or Grandview to go to a decent Kroger store. I don’t go to the Weinland Park store because I usually can’t find everything I want there.
Ha ha, great minds think alike. :lol:
Have we heard any more about the Sunflower space? I thought it would only take 6 months or so to do this, but if Gram is saying it’s going to take years then it makes even more sense for them to set up a temporary store on that corner for all the students. Just curious!!
Are you sure it will take a couple years? Over in Huber Heights Kroger remodeled a closed Best Products adjacent to their store, and opened a temporary store. They razed the old store 2 days after closing it. Of course it was extremely wasteful – all of the shelving, displays and equipment went with the building along with some canned goods and other stuff. However the whole process took several months, not a year.
According to the Kroger lawyer at the civic association meeting last week:
They’re going to try to keep the old store open as long as possible while they build the new one where the existing parking lot is now. Sunflower wasn’t mentioned nor was any temporary space anywhere.
I don’t think it’s going to be LEED certified, however the new development on 12th where Zettlers is might be (different development and story)
It will have bike racks
It will be about 1/3 bigger than the existing one.
Everybody from all walks of life was excited about the new store although wine and cigars were not discussed.
It’s going to take 270 days to build. They might start in the fall.
I completely agree with what you are saying, and understand where you are coming from. I mean cigars and wine in Weiland Park? Let’s be real, this serves mostly campus students and those of a lesser income. However, I also see the writing on the wall. Weiland park is not going to be an area for lower class residents in another 10 years. Since it is my belief that this is inevitably going to happen, let’s put in a project that will last us twenty or thirty or forty years, not one that we will want to tear down in another ten years, as the neighborhood continues to be improved.
You don’t think people from Harrison West, Victorian Village and Italian Village will use this store if it’s fixed up and has a better selection? I would love not having to drive to the Brewery District or Grandview to go to a decent Kroger store. I don’t go to the Weinland Park store because I usually can’t find everything I want there.
Agreed, I live about 150 yards from this Kroger and I drive to Grandview to get my groceries. The “Ghetto Kroger” in my mind isn’t a reference to the neighborhood, but to the store itself.
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Exactly!
I just moved DIRECTLY across the street from that Kroger. I would only run in there for a quick one or two items I might be missing. I would drive to the Grandview GE or the Brewery District Kroger for a whole grocery shopping trip. Does that article give a date for completion that I was just too dense to catch?
Nevermind on the date thing.
I shuld lern to reed gooder. :wink:
this is indeed good news! hopefully they look at why sunflower didn’t succeed and take that into consideration. i wish they’d put a trader joe’s where that sunflower used to be, but i’ve read elsewhere that it’s not a likely possibility.
While I have the site plan on file, it is not appropriate for me to release the actual plan … for one it is not the final plan as several city departments and commisions have not offcially signed off on the proposal.
I will tell you that it is very similar to the concept presented in “A Plan for High Street” that was adopted in 2000 …
Looks like the parking still stays gapping, but out of view from High St.
My understanding is that the parking amount is well below what’s required by code. It’s a start.
A parking garage under the store (like the Loblaws on Rideau St in Ottawa) would have been cool, but a grocery store parking garage is still probably a bit outre for Columbus at this point.
I think 7th is a much less critical artery than High. I think the project’s priorities are in the right place, and what they’ve already committed to do–even with some stuff still TBD–indicates a major investment in the neighborhood. I don’t know what more one could ask them to do without making the project financially infeasible.
I completely agree with what you are saying, and understand where you are coming from. I mean cigars and wine in Weiland Park? Let’s be real, this serves mostly campus students and those of a lesser income. However, I also see the writing on the wall. Weiland park is not going to be an area for lower class residents in another 10 years. Since it is my belief that this is inevitably going to happen, let’s put in a project that will last us twenty or thirty or forty years, not one that we will want to tear down in another ten years, as the neighborhood continues to be improved.
You don’t think people from Harrison West, Victorian Village and Italian Village will use this store if it’s fixed up and has a better selection? I would love not having to drive to the Brewery District or Grandview to go to a decent Kroger store. I don’t go to the Weinland Park store because I usually can’t find everything I want there.
I do not think they would utilize this Kroger’s as it is and I am for this Kroger’s being built, but it needs to serve both markets. I know many people that have lived in that area their entire lives, and all they do is bitch about the quality of meats, and produce in that Kroger. They don’t like it one bit, but at the same time, they do not like Giant Eagle because of prices. I think if you gave the residents of that area what they really wanted, it would be a wal-mart, but that of course is not going to happen, nor would I personally want it to happen. I would like to see just a better, but still basic kroger’s. Not one that is mainly focused on organic foods, and wine, and cheese, etc. There is already the north market, and whole foods on Lane for that.
edit: meant do not think
I think the cooloest design would be to built the Kroger’s in a L shape with the front extending down high st to 7th, and then frontage extending down 7th. The parking could be in the back, and hidden by the stores.
Overall I think this is awesome. Nit-picking, I think I’d rather see the bulk of the store on the north end of the site because that is a better location for a bus stop and there is an existing traffic signal for pedestrians crossing High Street. On the flip side, if the parking lot were off of 6th instead of 7th, then you’d have to deal with auto traffic down there and probably need a new signal anyway.
I agree.
I think the most important decision now is stylistic. The area between the University and the Short North should have it’s own modern meets acetic style. Not a standard suburban post-modern style.
Something cool to add to the neighborhood’s character!
A sensible Daniel Libeskind building, please.
Not quite this:
but this:
the whole foods in seattle has a parking garage under the store. it even has a conveyor belt that sends your groceries underground and you drive your car up and load em in. it also cuts down on all those carts in the parking lot.
We park on the roof of my Whole Foods. There’s an elevator for carts, but almost everyone just carries baskets up the stairs because:
1. It’s way too expensive to buy a whole cart of anything at Whole Foods
2. It’s too crowded inside to move a cart around
I think I’d rather have the apartments than upstairs parking though. And there’s probably not enough space on the roof for parking for a Kroger. I imagine a Kroger requires more parking than a Whole Foods. Underground would be cool, but expensive.
yeah, i’ve never bought more than a basket’s worth at whole foods which is why it is known as whole paycheck, but seattleites love them some organic food.