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	<title>Comments on: Strickland says 3C Corridor needs $250 Million</title>
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		<title>By: lifeontwowheels</title>
		<link>http://www.columbusunderground.com/strickland-says-3c-corridor-needs-250-million/comment-page-2#comment-82129</link>
		<dc:creator>lifeontwowheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Still, I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t think itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s good model either for a suburban Columbus Light Rail line, or for the 3C Corridor unless weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re really looking to do things in a &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; limited capacity on a &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; shoestring budget.&quot;

It may not be a perfect model, but I do wonder if there are ways to either bring Columbus&#039; light rail costs down OR create a broader starter line that has more appeal. I think one of the big things driving costs is that jog down High and the vehicles to make that work. Granted there are issues with keeping that particular line on the separate rail grade. Of course we just need to see support to move things a fraction of an inch forward to get to the studies and the real answers. Not the speculation.

In other news, I am glad to see the 3C moving forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Still, I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t think itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s good model either for a suburban Columbus Light Rail line, or for the 3C Corridor unless weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re really looking to do things in a <em>very</em> limited capacity on a <em>very</em> shoestring budget.&#8221;</p>
<p>It may not be a perfect model, but I do wonder if there are ways to either bring Columbus&#8217; light rail costs down OR create a broader starter line that has more appeal. I think one of the big things driving costs is that jog down High and the vehicles to make that work. Granted there are issues with keeping that particular line on the separate rail grade. Of course we just need to see support to move things a fraction of an inch forward to get to the studies and the real answers. Not the speculation.</p>
<p>In other news, I am glad to see the 3C moving forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercurius</title>
		<link>http://www.columbusunderground.com/strickland-says-3c-corridor-needs-250-million/comment-page-2#comment-82127</link>
		<dc:creator>Mercurius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are predicting an initial ridership of the 3C route to be 1,400 riders a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are predicting an initial ridership of the 3C route to be 1,400 riders a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ridership of the Nashville Music City Star may seem low, but it was built as a &lt;span style=&quot;text-decoration: underline;&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;very&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt; limited suburban commuter. It runs from the burbs into downtown twice in the morning, and then runs from downtown to the burbs twice in the evening. Weekdays only. That&#039;s a total of 10 round-trips per week that this line makes.

The train has a seating capacity of 750 passengers, which means that the &lt;em&gt;maximum&lt;/em&gt; ridership it can handle is around 3000 rides per day. (Or 1500 round-trip riders per day.)

So I&#039;d say that an &lt;em&gt;average&lt;/em&gt; of 900 rides per day on that particular system isn&#039;t a bad &lt;em&gt;average&lt;/em&gt;. 

Still, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s good model either for a suburban Columbus Light Rail line, or for the 3C Corridor unless we&#039;re really looking to do things in a &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; limited capacity on a &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; shoestring budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ridership of the Nashville Music City Star may seem low, but it was built as a <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em><strong>very</strong></em></span> limited suburban commuter. It runs from the burbs into downtown twice in the morning, and then runs from downtown to the burbs twice in the evening. Weekdays only. That&#8217;s a total of 10 round-trips per week that this line makes.</p>
<p>The train has a seating capacity of 750 passengers, which means that the <em>maximum</em> ridership it can handle is around 3000 rides per day. (Or 1500 round-trip riders per day.)</p>
<p>So I&#8217;d say that an <em>average</em> of 900 rides per day on that particular system isn&#8217;t a bad <em>average</em>. </p>
<p>Still, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s good model either for a suburban Columbus Light Rail line, or for the 3C Corridor unless we&#8217;re really looking to do things in a <em>very</em> limited capacity on a <em>very</em> shoestring budget.</p>
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		<title>By: karlbenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>karlbenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;DidnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t Nashville build a 20-30 mile commuter rail system on 40-50 million using used rolling stock?&quot;

900 rides a day are taken on that line. Assuming most users purchase a round trip, only 450 people a day actually use the line. Coulda done better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;DidnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t Nashville build a 20-30 mile commuter rail system on 40-50 million using used rolling stock?&#8221;</p>
<p>900 rides a day are taken on that line. Assuming most users purchase a round trip, only 450 people a day actually use the line. Coulda done better.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercurius</title>
		<link>http://www.columbusunderground.com/strickland-says-3c-corridor-needs-250-million/comment-page-2#comment-81712</link>
		<dc:creator>Mercurius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KMShay: The best study to date on the project is this

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Rail/Programs/passenger/Pages/OhioHubOverview.aspx&quot;&gt;http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Rail/Programs/passenger/Pages/OhioHubOverview.aspx&lt;/a&gt;

It is woefully inadequate and the stats are old.  Ohio just commissioned a new study from Woodside Consultants that is due by August.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KMShay: The best study to date on the project is this</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Rail/Programs/passenger/Pages/OhioHubOverview.aspx">http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Rail/Programs/passenger/Pages/OhioHubOverview.aspx</a></p>
<p>It is woefully inadequate and the stats are old.  Ohio just commissioned a new study from Woodside Consultants that is due by August.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercurius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercurius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walker, In addition to the $8 billion available from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act there is an additional $1.3 billion available from the Passenger Rail Investment and Improvement Act, so there is a total of $9.3 billion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walker, In addition to the $8 billion available from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act there is an additional $1.3 billion available from the Passenger Rail Investment and Improvement Act, so there is a total of $9.3 billion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercurius</title>
		<link>http://www.columbusunderground.com/strickland-says-3c-corridor-needs-250-million/comment-page-1#comment-81708</link>
		<dc:creator>Mercurius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;forums/profile/cbusislander&quot;&gt;CbusIslander&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/cite&gt; Says: &quot;Is this still being decided in the state senate?  When is the vote? &quot;
 
 It is being debated in the State Senate right now.  Currently H.B. 2 was voted out of the House of Reps. on partisan lines with passenger rail in it.  Amendments to H.B. 2 are due to Chairman Patton&#039;s office by Monday at noon. The next committee meeting is Tuesday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite><a href="forums/profile/cbusislander">CbusIslander</a></cite> Says: &#8220;Is this still being decided in the state senate?  When is the vote? &#8221;</p>
<p> It is being debated in the State Senate right now.  Currently H.B. 2 was voted out of the House of Reps. on partisan lines with passenger rail in it.  Amendments to H.B. 2 are due to Chairman Patton&#8217;s office by Monday at noon. The next committee meeting is Tuesday.</p>
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		<title>By: lifeontwowheels</title>
		<link>http://www.columbusunderground.com/strickland-says-3c-corridor-needs-250-million/comment-page-1#comment-81701</link>
		<dc:creator>lifeontwowheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Nashville build a 20-30 mile commuter rail system on 40-50 million using used rolling stock?

Following that model a billion would go a long way here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Nashville build a 20-30 mile commuter rail system on 40-50 million using used rolling stock?</p>
<p>Following that model a billion would go a long way here.</p>
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		<title>By: chivespa1</title>
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		<dc:creator>chivespa1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, I wish they&#039;d kill the &quot;fix&quot;. No one in Columbus wants it because it is going to make downtown a disaster. Like all highway projects it will be a &quot;if you build it they will come&quot; solution. The more we invest in highways the more people will use them meaning that, in a few years we&#039;ll be back asking for billions to &quot;fix&quot; it again. Instead we could invest in rail which is way more sustainable and way less expensive than personal auto traffic.

As Walker explained this isn&#039;t exactly an either/or situation but money is money and we will all end up paying this money back one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, I wish they&#8217;d kill the &#8220;fix&#8221;. No one in Columbus wants it because it is going to make downtown a disaster. Like all highway projects it will be a &#8220;if you build it they will come&#8221; solution. The more we invest in highways the more people will use them meaning that, in a few years we&#8217;ll be back asking for billions to &#8220;fix&#8221; it again. Instead we could invest in rail which is way more sustainable and way less expensive than personal auto traffic.</p>
<p>As Walker explained this isn&#8217;t exactly an either/or situation but money is money and we will all end up paying this money back one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: KMShay</title>
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		<dc:creator>KMShay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may have seen this but it shows what has currently been approved broken down by state then municipality, project type, cost, jobs, popularity, etc.   http://www.stimuluswatch.org/ 
 Obviously this is stimulus dollars only. 

Does anyone have a link to the study on general public acceptance of the 3C project?  I&#039;m sure they are out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may have seen this but it shows what has currently been approved broken down by state then municipality, project type, cost, jobs, popularity, etc.   <a href="http://www.stimuluswatch.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stimuluswatch.org/</a><br />
 Obviously this is stimulus dollars only. </p>
<p>Does anyone have a link to the study on general public acceptance of the 3C project?  I&#8217;m sure they are out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Rockmastermike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rockmastermike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish we could get that stupid 70/71 split &quot;fix&quot; killed and use that money to build the 3-c rail and an entire SYSTEM of streetcars/light rail in Columbus and we would probably still have some left over to re-pave something.

Hell, I drive the &quot;split&quot; every day and it&#039;s just not bad enough to make it worth sinking over 1.5 Billion bucks into &quot;fixing&quot; it.  It&#039;s not bad at all actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish we could get that stupid 70/71 split &#8220;fix&#8221; killed and use that money to build the 3-c rail and an entire SYSTEM of streetcars/light rail in Columbus and we would probably still have some left over to re-pave something.</p>
<p>Hell, I drive the &#8220;split&#8221; every day and it&#8217;s just not bad enough to make it worth sinking over 1.5 Billion bucks into &#8220;fixing&#8221; it.  It&#8217;s not bad at all actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Urbanboi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urbanboi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanna ride the choo choo train!!</description>
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		<title>By: CbusIslander</title>
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		<dc:creator>CbusIslander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this still being decided in the state senate?  When is the vote?  If everyone here wants rail, those are the people you need to call.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.allaboardohio.org/cms/index.php&quot;&gt;http://www.allaboardohio.org/cms/index.php&lt;/a&gt;

If we don&#039;t let them know, Ohio will never get this money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this still being decided in the state senate?  When is the vote?  If everyone here wants rail, those are the people you need to call.  <a href="http://www.allaboardohio.org/cms/index.php">http://www.allaboardohio.org/cms/index.php</a></p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t let them know, Ohio will never get this money.</p>
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		<title>By: Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;forums/profile/kmshay&quot;&gt;KMShay&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/cite&gt; Says: 					If we are talking about Ã¢â‚¬Å“freeÃ¢â‚¬Â stimulus money being pumped into our local economy, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d take $1.6B for Columbus over $250M for the State. &lt;/em&gt;

Just to clarify... the State of Ohio was granted $8.2 Billion in federal stimulus, and ODOT was granted $935M for highway project funding.

What Strickland is requesting is an &lt;strong&gt;additional&lt;/strong&gt; $250M out of the $8 billion federal pot for rail projects across the country.

So from my understanding... if Ohio is not requesting any of that specific money for rail projects, it&#039;s all going to simply go to other states&#039; rail projects. It&#039;s not going to be used for anything else within our state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><cite><a href="forums/profile/kmshay">KMShay</a></cite> Says: 					If we are talking about Ã¢â‚¬Å“freeÃ¢â‚¬Â stimulus money being pumped into our local economy, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d take $1.6B for Columbus over $250M for the State. </em></p>
<p>Just to clarify&#8230; the State of Ohio was granted $8.2 Billion in federal stimulus, and ODOT was granted $935M for highway project funding.</p>
<p>What Strickland is requesting is an <strong>additional</strong> $250M out of the $8 billion federal pot for rail projects across the country.</p>
<p>So from my understanding&#8230; if Ohio is not requesting any of that specific money for rail projects, it&#8217;s all going to simply go to other states&#8217; rail projects. It&#8217;s not going to be used for anything else within our state.</p>
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		<title>By: Brant Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brant Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lifeon That&#039;s what it sounds like to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lifeon That&#8217;s what it sounds like to me.</p>
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