Franklin County Sheriff Zach Scott was the first to announce his candidacy for Columbus mayor late last year after current Mayor Michael Coleman announced he would not run for reelection. On Saturday, Scott opened his new campaign headquarters on East 5th Avenue. While there, he agreed to talk at length with Columbus Underground about his campaign and the future he envisions for the city if he is elected.
Jesse Bethea: Can you tell me a little about your background, where you grew up, how you came to be Sheriff?
Zach Scott: I grew up in the South End, I was a respiratory therapist for a short period, and ended up getting into law enforcement. I graduated from Franklin University with a degree in business and organizational leadership, as a double major. Ended up getting onto the sheriffâs office. So I just kind of fell into law enforcement and it seemed to fit.
JB: Can you tell me why you want to be mayor of Columbus?Â
ZS: Absolutely. Being in law enforcement for thirty-some years, Iâve worked everything from SWAT to homicide to undercover, worked a jail, worked patrol, my last place was community relations, and we work really hard in law enforcement, all of our law enforcement agencies, we have about 28 different law enforcement agencies here in Franklin County, and I didnât like that there didnât seem to be a lot of progress in those areas as far as when it comes to crime. For instance, last year there were 300 shootings, over 300 shootings in the city of Columbus. A few days ago we had three homicides in a 24-hour period. My kids are cops, so itâs kind of like the theme of the family here, and so when it comes to public safety, looking at public safety from that point of view â I was a fireman for a short period too, so I really have a good grasp of what public safety is about â and getting back to those 300 or so shootings, weâre not really making an impact, we just keep putting a Band-Aid on the situation. About 85 percent of law enforcement seems to be very reactive. We do have some programs that are proactive, but itâs still not making the impact that Iâd like to see.
Due to the fact that the city has around 822,000 residents, and Iâm generally responsible, as the Sheriff, Iâm responsible for the jail, Iâm responsible for the courthouses, weâve got two jails, two courthouses, we also take care of unincorporated areas, we take care of augmenting services for townships, weâve got about 1100 employees or so, our budgetâs well over 100 million, so doing all this that weâre doing, we could see that, after looking at what the city does and the issues that are going on in the city, I thought we could probably have a better impact on public safety if we start going after the root problem. And so you may say, whatâs the root problem? Well, we could put cops on the street, at the corner of every street, if cops were free, and I donât know if it would actually make that much more of a difference, obviously itâd make some amount of difference, but the real problem weâre running into is, basically, itâs poverty, itâs jobs, itâs our school system thatâs broke. So I know that if we can get the right jobs recruited here, if we can get the right school system thatâs actually a model that actually is functioning, if people cannot break the law that are actually responsible for our kids when it comes to education, I know that will cause the crime to start dropping.
I had an interesting conversation with a guy who was a bail bondsman, and he happened to be African-American, and we were walking across the street downtown and he just said âHey Sheriff, I hear you have a big endeavor ahead of you.â And I said, âYeah, Iâve got one.â He says to me, âMan I get so sick of having to deal with these guys,â and I said âWhat are you talking about?â He goes, âWell, Iâm a bail bondsmanâĤall I do, man, is constantly, same guys getting in trouble, I gotta chase them down, it gets so old.â And I said to him, âAt the end of the day, what else have they got to do?â He goes, âWhat do you mean?â I said, âWe donât have any blue-collar jobs.”
Weâre great at white-collar jobs. Weâre awesome. We have banking, which weâre doing fantastic on, weâve got schools, weâve got health care, weâve got IT weâve got software. Weâve got a lot of white-collar jobs that weâve been very, very successful at, and thatâs awesome, weâve done a good job in that area. But at the end of the day, itâs like, what else have these guys got to do? And he said to me, âYou know what, if they actually had money in their pocket, maybe I wouldnât have to deal with them anymore.â And I smiled and I said, âThatâs why Iâm running for mayor.â He kind of laughed and said, âAll right, Sheriff, good luck with that.â So there it is in a nutshell.
JB: You kind of spoke to this already, but I wanted to ask what sort of skills do you think youâll bring from the law enforcement world to the mayorâs office?
ZS: Itâs not so much law enforcement, itâs executive experience. If you look at the other candidates that are in the race and then you compare my resume with theirs, which I hope you doâĤexecutive experience is what we need, strong leadership. Almost 70 percent of the budget, of their general fund, $811 million that the city has, you know what thatâs made up of? Public safety. Think about that for a second, 70 percent of their budget is public safety. I donât have an academic knowledge of public safety. I have an out-in-the-streets, out-in-the-neighborhoods, down-in-the-weeds, thatâs my knowledge of whatâs going on in public safety. So I get it, I get whatâs going on out there. Thatâs 70 percent of their budget.
Then thereâs obviously picking up trash, thereâs some services as far as snow removal, stuff like thatâĤWhen we have Level 1 snow emergencies, who calls that? I call that. I call [Franklin County Engineer] Dean Ringle, we have a conversation about how fast the snow is being removed, the rate. I have a conversation with patrol divisions about how many vehicles are holding on accidents, so I make that determination. And Iâve talked with Dean, I said, âYou know once Iâm mayor, Dean, weâre going to have to look at being able to remove snow at a faster rate for a lot of our citizens and neighborhoodsâ and Dean said âWeâll meet, weâll figure out some way to get this working, sheriff.â
So as far as executive leadership, who in this race has over a thousand employees? Who in this race has handled over $100 million budgets? Nobody. So that translates very well and very, I think, easily into why I would probably be a good choice to be mayor. No disrespect to the other candidates, they all have their own strengths, but when it comes to leadership and a large amount of people, that would be my resume.
JB: What do you think is something, the primary thing that would separate your vision for Columbus under your leadership from the vision that maybe your opponents have?
ZS: Well, James Ragland and I talk a lot, and he also agrees with the job issue. We probably have a different idea of how to go after those jobs. I think we have to go recruit them, and I think we have to match that workforce and I think we have to start doing vocational training, we have to have a system in place to do that.
I was reading the other day, I forget which organization within Columbus was doing some vocational training but it was for IT work again. And thatâs all they were setting up for, IT work again, and IT work is great. I donât want to detract from Columbus, Columbus is a great city, we have a ton of successes here. But we donât have all of the successes that we should be doing, as far as getting out there and recruiting the jobs.
Iâve talked to people who go to Germany all the time, Iâve talked to people who are from the Asian-Indian community. I said, in order for Columbus to continue to survive without us having to go after the taxpayer dollars again, which I can see that happening, weâve got to bring jobs here and weâve also got to export jobs. We donât export, we really donât. So Iâm talking to the Asian-Indian community, they were excited by what I was talking about. China is starting to get very expensive. So we have to have leadership in the position to take some of those jobs from China and move them back here.
But the first thing weâve got to do is weâve got to start fixing infrastructure. We have antiquated sewer systems and water systems in these neighborhoods. Theyâve been sitting there forever and theyâre very expensive to fix. But if we donât start fixing them now, and we donât start looking at fixing them because todayâs dollars are always cheaper today than tomorrow, guess what theyâre gonna do? Theyâre gonna raise your water rate, raise your tax rate. So if we donât start working on these issues right now, taxes are gonna go up for the people, poverty is gonna go up.
So again, I donât know if my vision is different than all theirsâ, maybe in some respects, maybe me, Terry Boyd and James Ragland, we see some of the things that need to be fixed like the school system, itâs got to be tackled hard. The previous administration was hands-offâĤI think they put an education commission together that could make recommendations but had no ability to actually sanction or do anything, and I donât see that changing under Andy [Ginther]. I see the same old thing that weâre doing.
I say weâre at a crossroads, we really are at a crossroads. So I think the only thing that I bring different is Iâve had a little bit more experience in the leadership area as far as the volume of people and actually getting successes at the sheriffâs office. We have a ton of successes, weâre building a new jail, we just finished up the academy, we have a legal based reporting system thatâs gonna help reduce lawsuits. We have systems in place to where our success rate when it comes to picking up fugitives is one of the highest in the country. And itâs about me picking leaders around me that are gonna be able to be successful, and Iâve had very good success with putting a senior staff together that, theyâre just awesome, they get it, what the vision is, they go out and execute and I oversee.
So I have a system already in place and even one of the very top union leaders, I was having a conversation with him the other day and he said thereâs no doubt in his mind if I become mayor that I will take that same success that weâve had in the county and Iâll move it right into the city, which was a very good compliment. My biggest concern right now, for me as a leader, is that my deputies and my employees are concerned that Iâm leaving. They donât want me to leave. So itâs an honor.
JB: So as of now youâre running against two fellow Democrats and one Republican. How hard do you think it will be to overcome the odds of how many people are in this race right now?
ZS: We have some polling and it shows that weâve got some really, really high name recognition in comparison to my opponents. So as of right now weâre doing very well. Weâre raising good money to get our message out so weâre sitting pretty good as far as we feel.
JB: One of the things I wanted to ask you about, because you have spoken about education a lot, I wanted to ask about your specific plans and initiatives that you would want to put in place with regards to fixing the public education system.Â
ZS: Good question, and weâre still researching that. We have several models throughout the country that weâre looking at that have been successful. Iâm not gonna come in and try to reinvent the wheel, but I will go find the wheel that works and modify it that works for us. Cincinnatiâs having some good success with mentoring programs, thereâs been success with actually the mayor getting a ballot to where the mayor is actually in charge of the whole system.
Or maybe weâre gonna look at the mayor just getting involved a little bit more with who actually gets onâĤschool board. We have a lot of people who like to get on school board that have no background in education and unfortunately they look good on school board, they jump to another position, so thatâs got to stop. We have to have people that are there because they want to be in the educational system and their main priority is not to do political hopping, their main priority is making sure our kids leave and theyâre educated so they can get a good job and they can bring income into our city.
So I donât know what program or what model weâre going to use yet. Charter schools are not out of the question if thereâs more oversight, Iâve got to dig into that a little bit more. So as the months progress, at some point here Iâll have a program or a plan that I want to implement and then Iâll come out with that.
JB: If youâre elected, what would you say you want your legacy to be? How do you want your time as mayor to be remembered?
ZS: Fixing the school system and bringing blue-collar jobs back.
JB: Pretty straightforward.Â
ZS: Thatâs what Iâm after. Fix the school system and bring blue-collar jobs back. If I can do that, that 22 percent poverty level that we have in the city of Columbus, and then thereâs another poverty level above that where people are working two jobs because they canât get any wages that are actually good, strong wages. You think theyâre being parents when theyâre working two jobs to try and put food on the table? Theyâre not, they canât, theyâre doing the best they can.
My goal is to at least get us down to where at least, you know the rest of the state of Ohio, the poverty level is in the state of Ohio, you know what that is? 14 percent. Think about that for a second, 14 percent. The mean average salary in Columbus is around $42,000 a year. Thatâs the last, I think from 2013, thatâs the last I saw. Do you know what the other people are having, like Cleveland? $48,000. So we have issues here and you can look up too about the 20,000 new jobs that are coming that theyâre also saying the poverty level is gonna go up. Itâs about leadership thatâs focused. Leadershipâs got to be focused and leadershipâs got to be at the wheel.
Unfortunately, as the Dispatch at one time said, this is a legacy, like you brought up legacy, this has been a legacy of neglect. 6,000 blighted homes, weâve got the mortality, infant mortality rate going on, this doesnât happen overnight. This didnât, all of the sudden, sixth months from now we woke up and went âOh my gosh!â So leaders have got to be able to put in place people who can start looking for trend. They need to see whatâs coming down the future instead of the Dispatch or someone coming and saying, âHey, do you guys know this problemâs going on over here?â And itâs like, where you been?
So leaders have got to set up programs that they can know that weâre seeing a trend in this and a trend in this, okay, we need to step up and figure out whatâs going on here before it gets to a crisis situation. Weâre in crisis level right now. Columbus, in my opinion is at a crisis level. If we donât have some change in leadership, whatâs gonna happen is weâre gonna keep going down this road, the poverty levelâs gonna go up, crimeâs gonna go up, and the schools are not getting fixed with the systems in place. And again, Iâm telling you why Iâm running for mayor again.
JB: Is there anything youâd like to add that I didnât ask about?
ZS: No, weâre just excited about the opening todayâĤthe openingâs here today on 5th Avenue, weâre right here in our neighborhoods. Thatâs our message. Our neighborhoods, weâre gonna get them up and running where they should be, so our headquarters is right here in the neighborhood. We have a lot of people that are gonna come by and just check it out.
Weâre just two months from early votingâĤLet people know this is a nonpartisan race. We have a lot of people that get confused about that. They think you have to be a certain party, affiliated with someone, or you canât vote in this primary. Completely wrong. There is no affiliation, you donât have to show up and say Iâm affiliated with this. You just have to show up and all youâre gonna see is names and all you have to do is vote. And youâre not changing your affiliation, youâre not doing anything with affiliation, nonpartisan. We havenât had one in sixteen years or so, so the idea is to come out and vote. Two months to early voting.
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