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heresthecasey said:
Well, looks like that was public money from the city thrown right down the tubes.
how do you know it's been spent?
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Wonderland Columbus - News & Updates
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Posted 11 months ago # -
misskitty
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ChrisSunami said:
Geez, MissKitty, quote the part with the link in it, would you please? :DSorry I should have
I will be going to the Columbus Invitational To Support the Arts
But really Chris last week was the first I heard about this so I don't think you want controversy as much just a little more pimping of the event.Posted 11 months ago # -
ChrisSunami
King-Lincoln District
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misskitty said:
Sorry I should haveI will be going to the Columbus Invitational To Support the Arts
But really Chris last week was the first I heard about this so I don't think you want controversy as much just a little more pimping of the event.Thanks! And you're definitely right, I need to lose the "If you build it they will come" mindset. At least now --per Adam's suggestion --we do have have a Facebook page and a Twitter account.
And for whatever it's worth, it does seem like the Wonderland staff has been doing some less visible things to support local arts. Nannette Maciejeunes --the Director of the Columbus Museum of Art --mentioned to me how helpful they had been in promoting the Museum's Game Show. It also seems like they're pretty heavily involved in Independent's Day.
Posted 11 months ago # -
polymethylmethacrylate
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lifeontwowheels said:
Just saying, if you guys care enough about the arts in Columbus to nitpick ever minute detail around Wonderland and create conspiracy theories about the "art gestapo" then you should care enough to support, promote and/or create your own art or that which fits your ideal.Listen, dude. You are way off on this, so you might want to consider stifling it. You are way out of your element.
You will look back and regret your stance on this. Mark my words.
Posted 11 months ago # -
littlefishy
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Twixlen said:
I have a lot of empathy for them. I think that the Wonderland folks have great ideas and intentions, and got caught up in shitty circumstances (Wonder Bread building drama), and made some big mistakes (going public with their plans too quickly, for example). I think that I've embarked on some things that were completely outside my comfort zone and even knowledge base a few times in my life, and I've been lucky enough to not fail publicly, much less have to rebuild and nearly start over, in the public eye.I also don't understand the crazy-clamour for information, because I've been involved in lots of things that took amazing amounts of time to accomplish. Everyone is so fucking impatient, and frankly, a little unreasonable about their expectations. The Wonderland folks made a mistake in going public with their ideas and plans, without having what was necessary to back it up, beyond passion for the project - I can't see them making that mistake again.
Plus, with all the nonsense with the Udder Paper & TOOP, and lawsuits, etc, I can't imagine any legal council advising them to do anything but remain silent. I think that's pretty SOP when there are lawsuits and other such legal battles being fought.
And what you don't seem to get is that this project is dead in the water. Dead.
It isn't happening. You get that? So you can slip and slide around reality all you want, but understand that Wonderland IS NOT happening. So you can have all of your empathy and you can blather on and on about how complicated these kinds of things are... but a) you have no idea what you are talking about, and b) Wonderland isn't happening. Period. So when that becomes public I hope you can at least reflect for a moment on how misguided your thoughts and comments have been. Please.
So the real question is... why are they waiting to pull the plug. It makes no sense.
Posted 11 months ago # -
lifeontwowheels
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polymethylmethacrylate said:
Listen, dude. You are way off on this, so you might want to consider stifling it. You are way out of your element.You will look back and regret your stance on this. Mark my words.
No, I really won't. If you can do better, than do it. It's that simple.
Posted 11 months ago # -
littlefishy
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ChrisSunami said:
Full disclosure: I recently brought Adam on board with the Columbus Invitational as an advisor. He was extremely helpful in educating me about promotions and marketing which are not my strengths. He spent several hours going over various strategies with me and didn't ask for anything in return.I don't know anything about his personal life and/or the state of Wonderland finances. I did get the sense that he's determined to avoid the big mistake of last year -- i.e. announcing a building before any deal was finalized, and getting people excited about a timeline that proved impossible.
I do admit to being irked that there are 46 pages of discussion about an organization that has released zero info recently, versus the relative lack of buzz about the Invitational, which is putting on on three major confirmed events, involving 30 respected local organizations (and no budget!), but that's hardly Wonderland's fault. Maybe we just need to court more controversy... :)
I'm so sorry for you. You got conned. Lots of people who deal with a certain person in our community end up getting conned.
Count yourself in good company with the Columbus Foundation, the GCAC, Mike Brown, the Mayor, the OAL, the Wonderland Board, many, many, many local artists, and lots and lots of other people... it is not your fault. You are the victim here.
That said, protect yourself and your organization- as well as any youths who intern with you. Just make sure you account for who is doing what and with whom and don't take any chances at all. Seriously.
Posted 11 months ago # -
Snarf
Dystopia
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If its not happening (which I agree it's not) why in the fuck keep blathering on about it?
My guess is you emo artists think its somehow stealing your shine (which it's not, focus on making decent art that the 1/100 people in Columbus that give a fuck about it will buy/appreciate.)
Next?
Posted 11 months ago # -
ChrisSunami
King-Lincoln District
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You are the victim here.
I'm not sure how getting free advice --which was quite good, by the way --qualifies me as a "victim."
As I've said before, I have no way of knowing if any of your attacks on Adam might be legitimate. But these vague allegations and scorched earth attacks do nothing to help your cause.
Posted 11 months ago # -
Twixlen
The Weston District
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littlefishy said:
And what you don't seem to get is that this project is dead in the water. Dead.It isn't happening. You get that? So you can slip and slide around reality all you want, but understand that Wonderland IS NOT happening. So you can have all of your empathy and you can blather on and on about how complicated these kinds of things are... but a) you have no idea what you are talking about, and b) Wonderland isn't happening. Period. So when that becomes public I hope you can at least reflect for a moment on how misguided your thoughts and comments have been. Please.
So the real question is... why are they waiting to pull the plug. It makes no sense.
I know this is what you would like to be true, but that doesn't make it true. If anything, your posts come off more and more sour grapes over a possible personal slight of some kind.
The thing that *you* and your peeps don't seem to understand is that in the off-chance that Wonderland doesn't come to fruition, I won't regret having supported them. Because I think it's a worthwhile project; because I think it's a project that Columbus deserves. I don't have the kind of relationships with anyone involved that would cause me personal hurt; I would just be sad about the loss of the work invested and at the idea of someone else being afraid to tackle such a project, because of haters like yourself out there, just waiting for a whisper of failure.
Posted 11 months ago # -
Twixlen
The Weston District
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littlefishy said:
That said, protect yourself and your organization- as well as any youths who intern with you. Just make sure you account for who is doing what and with whom and don't take any chances at all. Seriously.
Wow. Is that something you really want to say? Not only is that skirting a very dicey legal line, but it's just effing inappropriate.
Posted 11 months ago # -
myliftkk
Columbus, OH
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Not according to wikipedia.
Paranoid personality disorder is a mental disorder characterized by paranoia and a pervasive, long-standing suspiciousness and generalized mistrust of others. Individuals with this personality disorder may be hypersensitive, easily feel slighted, and habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions that may validate their fears or biases. Paranoid individuals are eager observers. They think they are in danger and look for signs and threats of that danger, potentially not appreciating other evidence.
ETA: left out the best part
They tend to be guarded and suspicious and have quite constricted emotional lives. Their reduced capacity for meaningful emotional involvement and the general pattern of isolated withdrawal often lend a quality of schizoid isolation to their life experience.[2][verification needed] People with this particular disorder may or may not have a tendency to bear grudges, suspiciousness, tendency to interpret others' actions as hostile, persistent tendency to self-reference, or a tenacious sense of personal right.[3]
Posted 11 months ago # -
la bauta
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Yo, La Bauta-wearing Litty Fishy Dogfart...
Does this mean you think all Wonderland critics are the same person? I think you may be sleuthing too hard on this. Also, speaking only on my own behalf, I could live without the clumsy ad hominem attacks and lengthy Wikipedia quotes.
The vague insinuations regarding interns aren't helping here, either. If you know for a fact that someone has done something wrong, you should report it properly and save public posts for when the matter is in public record.
Posted 11 months ago # -
joev
Merion Village
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Twixlen said:
I know this is what you would like to be true, but that doesn't make it true. If anything, your posts come off more and more sour grapes over a possible personal slight of some kind.The thing that *you* and your peeps don't seem to understand is that in the off-chance that Wonderland doesn't come to fruition, I won't regret having supported them. Because I think it's a worthwhile project; because I think it's a project that Columbus deserves. I don't have the kind of relationships with anyone involved that would cause me personal hurt; I would just be sad about the loss of the work invested and at the idea of someone else being afraid to tackle such a project, because of haters like yourself out there, just waiting for a whisper of failure.
It's pretty much a project we already have - at 400 West Rich St.
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