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More suspended games, vacated wins, a bowl game suspension next year, recruiting sanctions aren't out of the realm of possibility.
Tress really f'ed up this time.
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Jim Tressel - NCAA Violations / Suspension / Resignation
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Mister Shifter
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Mister Shifter
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Beating Michigan has been a given and an afterthought for many years now. They're not even competitive.
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JonMyers
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Yes, Tressel violated some rules. However, it seems like the real elephant in the room is that some players sold some memorabilia to a tattoo shop, while the NCAA and schools rake in millions off their backs and the players share in ZERO of that upside.
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JonMyers wrote >>
Yes, Tressel violated some rules. However, it seems like the real elephant in the room is that some players sold some memorabilia to a tattoo shop, while the NCAA and schools rake in millions off their backs and they share in ZERO of that upside.But without the NCAA could many of these players make the millions they do in the NFL?
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Snarf wrote >>
JonMyers wrote >>
Yes, Tressel violated some rules. However, it seems like the real elephant in the room is that some players sold some memorabilia to a tattoo shop, while the NCAA and schools rake in millions off their backs and they share in ZERO of that upside.But without the NCAA could many of these players make the millions they do in the NFL?
If I'm not mistaken the percentage of college players that go pro is 4% - 6%? Seems like the chances for most going pro are small and they'd be better off playing the lottery.
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Snarf wrote >>
JonMyers wrote >>
Yes, Tressel violated some rules. However, it seems like the real elephant in the room is that some players sold some memorabilia to a tattoo shop, while the NCAA and schools rake in millions off their backs and they share in ZERO of that upside.But without the NCAA could many of these players make the millions they do in the NFL?
2.4% of college football players end up playing in the NFL. The average salary of an NFL player is $1.1 million with an average career length of about 3.5 seasons.
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JonMyers
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honavery wrote >>
Snarf wrote >>
JonMyers wrote >>
Yes, Tressel violated some rules. However, it seems like the real elephant in the room is that some players sold some memorabilia to a tattoo shop, while the NCAA and schools rake in millions off their backs and they share in ZERO of that upside.But without the NCAA could many of these players make the millions they do in the NFL?
2.4% of college football players end up playing in the NFL. The average salary of an NFL player is $1.1 million with an average career length of about 3.5 seasons.
http://www.nflplayers.com/About-us/FAQs/NFL-Hopeful-FAQs/Yeah, even worse than I thought. The NCAA and schools are good at selling these players and the public the dream though.
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honavery wrote >>
Snarf wrote >>
JonMyers wrote >>
Yes, Tressel violated some rules. However, it seems like the real elephant in the room is that some players sold some memorabilia to a tattoo shop, while the NCAA and schools rake in millions off their backs and they share in ZERO of that upside.But without the NCAA could many of these players make the millions they do in the NFL?
2.4% of college football players end up playing in the NFL. The average salary of an NFL player is $1.1 million with an average career length of about 3.5 seasons.
http://www.nflplayers.com/About-us/FAQs/NFL-Hopeful-FAQs/just slightly better than the employment stats for theater majors.
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Andrew Hall
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Snarf wrote >>
JonMyers wrote >>
Yes, Tressel violated some rules. However, it seems like the real elephant in the room is that some players sold some memorabilia to a tattoo shop, while the NCAA and schools rake in millions off their backs and they share in ZERO of that upside.But without the NCAA could many of these players make the millions they do in the NFL?
They are forced to participate in the NCAA (NAIA/etc) football in order to even have a chance at the NFL. Legally speaking, the Clarett ruling affirmed the legality of this.
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Mister Shifter wrote >>
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Slap on the wrist. At the very least, I think Tressel should've been suspended for the first five games like Pryor, Herron, Posey, Adams and Thomas. Instead, he's out for the Akron and Toledo games.Those are OSU's self-imposed sanctions. The NCAA hasn't had their say yet.
Yeah, but there's this:
The guys in Indianapolis are still investigating Tressel and presumably could increase his sanctions. Don’t count on it.
Connecticut basketball coach Jim Calhoun was suspended all of three games next season!â€â€for recruiting violations committed under his watch. Another hoops coach, Bruce Pearl of Tennessee, got an eight-game suspension from the Southeastern Conference for lying to investigators during an NCAA probe that remains a work in progress.
Pearl also lost $1.5 million in salary. But when it comes to games, the punishment doesn’t add up.
Since basketball teams play nearly three times as many games as their football counterparts, Calhoun’s suspension comes out even lighter than Tressel’s. Pearl’s is a little more severe. Neither is as harsh as those given the Ohio State players or former Georgia receiver A.J. Green (received a four-game ban in an unrelated case, selling a bowl jersey for cash).
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-paulnewberry-030911Posted 1 year ago # -
Andrew Hall
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Schoolboy wrote >>
I still don't see any NCAA violations that Tressel committed with these emails, nor have seen any reports stating that he has. Can someone shed some light on this? All I've seen are contract violations to OSU.Someone this morning on the radio cited the particular code. In short, a coach has a duty to report suspected violations. He also signed off on an annual compliance agreement which states he had no knowledge of any compliance issues. (I am pretty sure that is an NCAA document.) Lastly, the NCAA can use their catchall 'failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance.'
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Mister Shifter
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With the information that he had, and hid, his star quarterback would've been inelugible for the season. Which leads me to believe wins, including the bowl game, could be vacated.
He then lied in December when these reports came to light and said he had no prior knowledge that things were happening at the tattoo parlor.
Damning and highly unethical, shady, etc.
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Mister Shifter
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It should also be noted he was busted for the same thing at Youngstown State when he lied and covered for his star quarterback who was receiving money from a booster, the ex-president of the PharMor corporation.
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Andrew Hall wrote >>
Snarf wrote >>
JonMyers wrote >>
Yes, Tressel violated some rules. However, it seems like the real elephant in the room is that some players sold some memorabilia to a tattoo shop, while the NCAA and schools rake in millions off their backs and they share in ZERO of that upside.But without the NCAA could many of these players make the millions they do in the NFL?
They are forced to participate in the NCAA (NAIA/etc) football in order to even have a chance at the NFL. Legally speaking, the Clarett ruling affirmed the legality of this.
A.They aren't forced to play NCAA football. Any employer is allowed to set up barriers to entry into a professional field. Any person 3 years removed from high school is allowed to declare themselves for the NFL. The huge revenues that schools like Ohio State get from their football and basketball programs all roll back into the athletic department. I believe Ohio State leads the country in the total number of Division I athletics, and the athletic department turned a relatively small profit a couple years ago. The kids who play football are paid well over $100,000 per year in services, like room and board, medical care, education, meals, books etc.
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Schoolboy
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Mister Shifter wrote >>
With the information that he had, and hid, his star quarterback would've been inelugible for the season. Which leads me to believe wins, including the bowl game, could be vacated.
He then lied in December when these reports came to light and said he had no prior knowledge that things were happening at the tattoo parlor.
Damning and highly unethical, shady, etc.OK. I was under the assumption that the NCAA was already investigating the tattoo parlor incidents when the emails were exchanged, which is why he was contacted by the attorney. So there was no need to notify the NCAA since... well... it was their investigation that notified the attorney. I still haven't seen anything stating who initiated the investigation, except for Tressel's comments which seem to implicate that it was an NCAA investigation, and that he didn't want to interfere with it by benching his players, thus alarming them to the investigation.
So if the attorney wasn't working for or against the NCAA, who was he working for/against? Is there still some piece of info that I'm missing? So far, all signs point to the NCAA knowing if not being in charge of this investigation when the emails were being exchanged. So I still see no wrongdoing here.
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Schoolboy wrote >>
Mister Shifter wrote >>
With the information that he had, and hid, his star quarterback would've been inelugible for the season. Which leads me to believe wins, including the bowl game, could be vacated.
He then lied in December when these reports came to light and said he had no prior knowledge that things were happening at the tattoo parlor.
Damning and highly unethical, shady, etc.OK. I was under the assumption that the NCAA was already investigating the tattoo parlor incidents when the emails were exchanged, which is why he was contacted by the attorney. So there was no need to notify the NCAA since... well... it was their investigation that notified the attorney. I still haven't seen anything stating who initiated the investigation, except for Tressel's comments which seem to implicate that it was an NCAA investigation, and that he didn't want to interfere with it by benching his players, thus alarming them to the investigation.
So if the attorney wasn't working for or against the NCAA, who was he working for/against? Is there still some piece of info that I'm missing? So far, all signs point to the NCAA knowing if not being in charge of this investigation when the emails were being exchanged. So I still see no wrongdoing here.The investigation started with nothing to do with football. The tattoo shop owner was being investigated by the FBI for drug trafficking, and in the course of that investigation, they discovered that there were OSU football players associated with this guy. It's at that point than an attorney contacted tressel.
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groundrules wrote >>
Schoolboy wrote >>
Mister Shifter wrote >>
With the information that he had, and hid, his star quarterback would've been inelugible for the season. Which leads me to believe wins, including the bowl game, could be vacated.
He then lied in December when these reports came to light and said he had no prior knowledge that things were happening at the tattoo parlor.
Damning and highly unethical, shady, etc.OK. I was under the assumption that the NCAA was already investigating the tattoo parlor incidents when the emails were exchanged, which is why he was contacted by the attorney. So there was no need to notify the NCAA since... well... it was their investigation that notified the attorney. I still haven't seen anything stating who initiated the investigation, except for Tressel's comments which seem to implicate that it was an NCAA investigation, and that he didn't want to interfere with it by benching his players, thus alarming them to the investigation.
So if the attorney wasn't working for or against the NCAA, who was he working for/against? Is there still some piece of info that I'm missing? So far, all signs point to the NCAA knowing if not being in charge of this investigation when the emails were being exchanged. So I still see no wrongdoing here.The investigation started with nothing to do with football. The tattoo shop owner was being investigated by the FBI for drug trafficking, and in the course of that investigation, they discovered that there were OSU football players associated with this guy. It's at that point than an attorney contacted tressel.
Oh crap!!!!!!!
Thank you. I knew I was missing something. Forgot all about the fact that owner was being investigated by the FBI too. Yeah, Tressel has put the program in big trouble then. This really is much worse than I thought. If I were Gordon, Tressel would have to be fired for this.
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