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Who is the developer?
Elford Development, Ltd./Mike Fitzpatrick - Applicant
Briar Gate Realty, Inc. - Owner
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Fireproof Building Redevelopment - News & Updates
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futureman
Grandview Heights
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Apartments eyed at Wonder Bread, Fireproof Records sites in Italian Village
Premium content from Business First by Brian R. Ball, Staff reporter
Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:00am EST
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The other project on the table is a conceptual plan for turning the Fireproof storage building into 47 apartments. The project also calls for a 5,100-square-foot restaurant next door at 998 N. High St....
Cooke and other commissioners urged Elford to consider two more stories above the restaurant so the building would adhere to Italian Village development guidelines for multistory structures along North High Street in the Short North. But commission Chairman Rex Hagerling said one level of apartments above the restaurant would be enough.
“The Short North has a variety of heights,” he said. “I don’t think we can ban two-story buildings, but absolutely (we want) more than one story.”
Fitzpatrick said he will work with designers at Architectural Alliance on two- and three-story options before bringing the project back to the commission for another look. Each floor could accommodate three additional apartments.
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Chris Sherman
East Franklinton
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that looks fantastic! would love to tour the building in its existing condition.
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ehill27
Short North
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Demand spurs new apartment projects
By Jim Weiker -The Columbus Dispatch
Saturday November 19, 2011 5:29 AMTwo new apartment projects are in the works near Downtown, adding to a flurry of rental development in central Ohio.
The latest proposals seek to convert a pair of venerable Italian Village buildings into apartments: the former Wonder Bread factory at 697 N. 4th St. and the Fireproof Records Center at 1024 N. High St.
The proposals join a string of apartment developments planned in or near Downtown and the Short North, including...
READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2011/11/19/demand-spurs-new-apartment-projects.html
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fitz1
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I hope the management of the new apartment developments at the Fireproof Building and Wonder Bread building think twice before they allow Section 8/welfare housing into these new proposed units.
The fact that other Italian Village apartment complexes like Kramer Place and New Village that charge upwards of $1000+ for regular residents and virtually free (>$100/month) for low income residents is ridiculous when I can think of 5+ friends who would love to be in this location but cannot afford it.
If these recent studies' numbers are true and show negative vacancy rates where demand outweighs available units then why are these apartments allowing Section 8/welfare residents? I wouldn't have as much of an issue if I didn't have so much first hand experience with living in mixed income housing where these drug addicts and wife beaters are my neighbors (I know this is generalizing and people will jump all over me on this message board but I have yet to meet one of these residents that is upstanding and employed). I've witnessed a number of friends who have moved out of the area because of this. These apartment complexes have done amazing things to gentrify Italian Village and I empathize with the difficulty of being able to maintain quality residents in this economy/ lousy housing market.
But while beautiful architecturally in their own right they are only exacerbating the problem of crime in Italian Village by allowing Section 8/welfare housing and allowing a deluge of drug activity and gang activity to happen amidst other renters that pay full price.
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dru
IV
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Kramer Place has Section 8?
I know New Village reserves 20%, but that is because it used city land and replaced the old high rise psychiatric facility. So CMHA is involved and a specific percentage is reserved for subsidies.
But I doubt WonderBread and Fireproof would, and would be interested in any links to show that Kramer does?
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labi
Weinland Park
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fitz1 said:
I hope the management of the new apartment developments at the Fireproof Building and Wonder Bread building think twice before they allow Section 8/welfare housing into these new proposed units.The fact that other Italian Village apartment complexes like Kramer Place and New Village that charge upwards of $1000+ for regular residents and virtually free (>$100/month) for low income residents is ridiculous when I can think of 5+ friends who would love to be in this location but cannot afford it.
Whether or not it's true, I don't think it's ridiculous. One of the things that supposedly does help low-income families is giving them the opportunity to live in places that are not all low-income families. If you care about giving a real hand up to people who are dealing with situations where life has totally stacked the deck against them, then setting aside a small percentage of apartments in an otherwise market-rate building doesn't sound ridiculous at all.
In addition I can testify to the verifiable existence of at least a small subset of non-low-income people who prefer to live in a neighborhood that includes people of all income levels.
If these recent studies' numbers are true and show negative vacancy rates where demand outweighs available units then why are these apartments allowing Section 8/welfare residents? I wouldn't have as much of an issue if I didn't have so much first hand experience with living in mixed income housing where these drug addicts and wife beaters are my neighbors.
Thorough tenant screening, clear lease policies, and effective property management can make it so anyone would be satisfied with living in close proximity to anyone else. In Weinland Park, the all-section-8 properties managed by Community Properties of Ohio are a great example. Maybe the problem is more about property owners who think they can rent to vastly different income levels in the same building without investing in different, more intensive property management than they are used to providing to middle/upper-income tenants.
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fitz1
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I'm just curious...have you ever lived next to drug dealers or gang bangers or are you someone in the burbs w/ no experience living amongst these trashy people with no aspirations or drive to do better? As a young professional going to work everyday seeing someone's dirty neglected child running around unsupervised in the street, I have a different perspective than someone spouting statistics...
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dru
IV
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i am unsure who that is aimed at?
if me, I suspect we live a few blocks apart in the IV. I have lived here for over 12 years, rented for 5 and owned for 7. as for the other 2 posters, their avatars list where they live, one on Park Street, the other in Weinland Park.
i am still interested in any info that Kramer Place has Section 8.
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labi
Weinland Park
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fitz1 said:
I'm just curious...have you ever lived next to drug dealers or gang bangers or are you someone in the burbs w/ no experience living amongst these trashy people with no aspirations or drive to do better? As a young professional going to work everyday seeing someone's dirty neglected child running around unsupervised in the street, I have a different perspective than someone spouting statistics...As my avatar tag says, I live in Weinland Park. I'm going to assume that your extensive experience of urban Columbus living mean you know where that is. And I would say that if that's the attitude you have about your neighbors, it's not very surprising that you aren't feeling the love in your neighborhood.
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rory
NW Short North
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fitz1 said:
I'm just curious...have you ever lived next to drug dealers or gang bangers or are you someone in the burbs w/ no experience living amongst these trashy people with no aspirations or drive to do better? As a young professional going to work everyday seeing someone's dirty neglected child running around unsupervised in the street, I have a different perspective than someone spouting statistics...As someone who has lived next door to drug dealers I have a different perspective than someone who drives though everyday. It would be much less complicated if drive and aspirations could just be handed out but there are often about nine other factors that get in the way. Not everyone that lives in a poor urban neighborhood is involved in street level pharmaceutical sales - often they're just poor. There are a raft of studies that show if you take these poor single mothers and their children and mix them in with other income levels and a safe environment that it really helps their mental well-being etc. It's not going to cure everything but it helps the kids especially. It's worrisome to think that your kids might get shot. There are a lot more kids inside than you see outside when you drive through. That being said I don't think it's a disaster that a few lower income units be mixed in with the Fireproof redevelopment (if it's even true). Actually it would good for everyone involved. A couple poor families could live someplace decent and the rest of us could enhance our empathy. We have this Calvinist feeling that poor people should live in shitty neighborhoods and suffer for be punished for being poor and I don't think it's helpful to anyone. And I'm not even going to touch the not-very-Christian aspect. And the next time you're driving through park the car and walk around a little. You're not going to be rolled by the three year old and you'll get a whole new perspective that might be positive. Just say hi when you do it - it goes a long ways.
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Cookie
Flyntonville
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fitz1 said:
I wouldn't have as much of an issue if I didn't have so much first hand experience with living in mixed income housing where these drug addicts and wife beaters are my neighbors (I know this is generalizing and people will jump all over me on this message board but I have yet to meet one of these residents that is upstanding and employed).I'm just glad there aren't any drug addicts or wife beaters in my neighborhood!
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labi
Weinland Park
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Walker said:
What exactly does this have to do with the Fireproof Building?Mr/Ms Fitz was saying that it would be "ridiculous" if there were any units rented to Section 8 tenants in the Fireproof redevelopment project. But you're right, probably not really a key focus of the thread.
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Mercurius
First Avenue
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CONCEPTUAL REVIEW
9. 11-11-11
998-1024 North High Street
Elford Development, Ltd./Mike Fitzpatrick (Applicant) Briar Gate Realty, Inc. (Owner)
An application, photographs, and cut sheets have been submitted.
Exterior Alterations
• Exterior alterations to “The Fireproof Building” per the submitted drawings.
• Development to include retail, multi-family residential, and limited covered parking.
New Construction
• New 5,100 square feet retail building at southeast corner of North High Street and Second Avenue, per the
submitted drawingPosted 5 months ago # -
jbcmh81
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Mercurius said:
CONCEPTUAL REVIEW
9. 11-11-11
998-1024 North High Street
Elford Development, Ltd./Mike Fitzpatrick (Applicant) Briar Gate Realty, Inc. (Owner)
An application, photographs, and cut sheets have been submitted.
Exterior Alterations
• Exterior alterations to “The Fireproof Building” per the submitted drawings.
• Development to include retail, multi-family residential, and limited covered parking.
New Construction
• New 5,100 square feet retail building at southeast corner of North High Street and Second Avenue, per the
submitted drawingThe new construction size is exactly the same. Still single-story?
Edit: nevermind, just noticed the date.
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