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Started 1 year ago by Snarf
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Snarf
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An admitted political layman, accused of being Republican or "burying my head in the sand" I want to make some effort to at least try and identify my political party.

I took a quiz at http://www.politicalcompass.org/test and it said I was Libertarian, which I then tried to google and just found a bunch of seemingly freedom this/liberty that fluff. I kind of like political stereotypes, they tend to put a better synopsis on parties. Like I don't identify with liberals bc they seem like a bunch of big government crybaby whiners.

But then I'm 100% pro-choice and support gay marriage (although I have reservations about their child raising, I believe a kid needs a dad.) Those are both democrat ideals yes? But then I think welfare mothers with drug problems should be sterilized. Seems lots of contradiction on ideals there.

Etc.

Is there a better quiz than that political compass?

Where am I at with this? Please take it easy on me, I'm trying to be open minded at least.

Posted 1 year ago #
myliftkk
Columbus, OH
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Based on your posts from yesterday, I was thinking the Know-Nothings when I read the thread title. ;)

Posted 1 year ago #
rus

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If you want to read more from libertarians, you could do worse than starting here:

http://reason.com/
http://www.cato.org/

Posted 1 year ago #
Snarf
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing

Interesting.

Posted 1 year ago #
JonMyers
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Snarf, I'm in the same ballpark. I don't know what party I "belong to". I'm sure I get the liberal democrat label based on my posts on here, though I'm equally disillusioned with both parties.

Let me know if you get anywhere with it. :)

Posted 1 year ago #
rus

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Think a lot of us are in the same situation. Heck, I kinda like the guns and dope party:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_and_Dope_Party

"I'll tolerate your hobbies if you tolerate mine" isn't a bad idea.

Posted 1 year ago #
misskitty
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I took a quiz at http://www.politicalcompass.org/test and it said I was Libertarian, which I then tried to google and just found a bunch of seemingly freedom this/liberty that fluff. I kind of like political stereotypes, they tend to put a better synopsis on parties. Like I don't identify with liberals bc they seem like a bunch of big government crybaby whiners.

But then I'm 100% pro-choice and support gay marriage. Those are both democrat ideals yes? But then I think welfare mothers with drug problems should be sterilized. Seems lots of contradiction on ideals there.

I have the same views on those things as well and when I took the political party quiz is also gave me the Libertarian response. I can see both sides of an discussion not that I always agree with both but I understand the different views that people have. I hate to call myself a Libertarian because the political philosophy that upholds individual liberty, especially freedom of expression and action. Libertarianism includes diverse beliefs and organizationsÃ¢â‚¬â€œall advocate either the minimization or the elimination of the state, and the goal of maximizing individual liberty and freedom. libertarianism is the belief that individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make.
But I think modern day meddling has really shifted the idea of a Libertarian. Then one could say you were a Right- Libertarian or a Left- Libertarian something about that seems distorted from what it initially was.

As I think the Government sucks at times there are other times when itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s good to have them. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s really bittersweet and a pain in the arse to think about. When someone asks about my political party I tell them I am on the ME party train.

Posted 1 year ago #
Snarf
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My Political Views
I am a centrist moderate social libertarian
Right: 0.93, Libertarian: 1.8

Political Spectrum Quiz

Centrist moderate social libertarian, eh?

AHHH!!!

Posted 1 year ago #
misskitty
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rus wrote >>
Think a lot of us are in the same situation. Heck, I kinda like the guns and dope party:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_and_Dope_Party
"I'll tolerate your hobbies if you tolerate mine" isn't a bad idea.

That is my Favorite Party want to restart it? I will join

Posted 1 year ago #
Walker
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Easy.

Independent.

Posted 1 year ago #
revolutionist
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rus wrote >>
Think a lot of us are in the same situation. Heck, I kinda like the guns and dope party:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_and_Dope_Party
"I'll tolerate your hobbies if you tolerate mine" isn't a bad idea.

lmao! I was in on some of the platform committees with RAW before he passed away for the Guns & Dope Party; in many ways (by which I mean a lot of the same people) it was the inheritor of The Revolution Party of RU Sirius:

http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Quotations-Party-Chairman-Sirius/dp/0922915628

Ahhh... to be young again.

These days, I'm more in alignment with Autonomism than anything else, that has any sort of "party organization".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomist

Posted 1 year ago #
maveric1
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Independent here as well. But I do lean to the left a bit.

Posted 1 year ago #
Brant
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I think a lot of Americans would qualify as small-L libertarian in the "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" sense, which is why most voters are moderate Republicans and Democrats (or "Independents").

Unfortunately, the big-L Libertarian party is a poorly managed, dysfunctional organization that's just not viable as a third-party. And besides, most moderates are wary of the Libertarians' inviolate faith in an unfettered free-market system.

Sometimes I think if I lived in the UK I might be a Tory. Then I sometimes think that the Modern Whig party sounds pretty cool. But as long as we live in a two-party political system, I'll guess I'll stick with being a frequently disappointed Democrat.

ETA:

My Political Views
I am a center-left social libertarian
Left: 2.61, Libertarian: 3.77

Posted 1 year ago #
Twixlen
Westgate, Columbus
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The Dalai Lama and I are like *this* according to that website.

It was an interesting breakdown... thanks for sharing it Snarf!

Posted 1 year ago #
JonMyers
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Walker wrote >>
Easy.
Independent.

I mostly identify as such, but often you might as well just exchange it for Democrat. Same holds true for most Libertarians. They might as well be Republicans.

I'm not sure I'm there anymore.

Posted 1 year ago #
Rockmastermike
CORNspiracy HQ
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Having used variants of the Nolan test (like the one at political compass) as a recruiting tool for a long time when I was working with the libertarians (long ago) I respectfully submit that David Nolan (a libertarian himself) designed that test with that specific goal in mind. I urge readers to pay close attention to subtle contextual clues in the wording of the questions designed to steer the user in the direction the test giver desires. Note that there are other variations that I've seen that are designed to steer people in other directions. The test is really an exercise in how malleable political opinions are under word choice and value choices placed on secondary words in the questions that are actually tangential to the issue addressed in each question.

anyway...

no, there is absolutely no need to identify with any political party. So why try? To save time? why bother?

A thinking person will make up his/her own mind about various issues and vote/not vote towards those ideas offered by individual members of a party.

Self-identifying with a "team" usually leads to the erroneous thinking that just because they agree with some of what that "team" does that that members of that "team" are always right and members of the other "team" must always be wrong, ignoring the bad ideas presented by ones own "team" and ignoring good ideas presented by the opposition.

Of course most people will agree with more of what one party's views of things are than some other party. Ideas from any political party tend to be interrelated to an overall view of how society *should* work (while often in large part ignoring how things actually DO work). Most people "lean" one way or another. That's to be expected. But taking on the mantle of being "with team X" often means a person is working more for the success of that "team" regardless of what that "team" is actually doing.

Note: "teams" (in quotes) in this post denote political gamesmanship. The word "party" is used when discussing how they relate to the world of political ideas, a completely separate concept.

Just my opinion.

Posted 1 year ago #
hugh59
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Wow Scarf, we are not that far apart. I am right/left 0.88 and anti-authoritarian -2.00. You are a sludge more to the right than I am; I am two more smudges more libertarian (anti-authority).

Posted 1 year ago #
Schoolboy
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i don't believe in political sports teams

Posted 1 year ago #
hugh59
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<blockquotew>Rockmastermike wrote >>
Having used variants of the Nolan test (like the one at political compass) as a recruiting tool for a long time when I was working with the libertarians (long ago) I respectfully submit that David Nolan (a libertarian himself) designed that test with that specific goal in mind. I urge readers to pay close attention to subtle contextual clues in the wording of the questions designed to steer the user in the direction the test giver desires. Note that there are other variations that I've seen that are designed to steer people in other directions. The test is really an exercise in how malleable political opinions are under word choice and value choices placed on secondary words in the questions that are actually tangential to the issue addressed in each question.
anyway...
no, there is absolutely no need to identify with any political party. So why try? To save time? why bother?
A thinking person will make up his/her own mind about various issues and vote/not vote towards those ideas offered by individual members of a party.
Self-identifying with a "team" usually leads to the erroneous thinking that just because they agree with some of what that "team" does that that members of that "team" are always right and members of the other "team" must always be wrong, ignoring the bad ideas presented by ones own "team" and ignoring good ideas presented by the opposition.
Of course most people will agree with more of what one party's views of things are than some other party. Ideas from any political party tend to be interrelated to an overall view of how society *should* work (while often in large part ignoring how things actually DO work). Most people "lean" one way or another. That's to be expected. But taking on the mantle of being "with team X" often means a person is working more for the success of that "team" regardless of what that "team" is actually doing.
Note: "teams" (in quotes) in this post denote political gamesmanship. The word "party" is used when discussing how they relate to the world of political ideas, a completely separate concept.
Just my opinion.

I noticed two things. First, sometimes it requested a choice where I had no clear opinion. Second, "an eye for an eye and a eye for an eye" was interpreted by the ancient Hebrews to mean that harm should be compensated for, but not literally; not by maiming. If you out out your neighbor's eye, you were obligated to pay him money to compensate him. In a way, that phrase is interpreted in almost the exact opposite way as it was imposed.

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myliftkk
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Rockmastermike wrote >>
Having used variants of the Nolan test (like the one at political compass) as a recruiting tool for a long time when I was working with the libertarians (long ago) I respectfully submit that David Nolan (a libertarian himself) designed that test with that specific goal in mind. I urge readers to pay close attention to subtle contextual clues in the wording of the questions designed to steer the user in the direction the test giver desires. Note that there are other variations that I've seen that are designed to steer people in other directions. The test is really an exercise in how malleable political opinions are under word choice and value choices placed on secondary words in the questions that are actually tangential to the issue addressed in each question.
anyway...
no, there is absolutely no need to identify with any political party. So why try? To save time? why bother?
A thinking person will make up his/her own mind about various issues and vote/not vote towards those ideas offered by individual members of a party.
Self-identifying with a "team" usually leads to the erroneous thinking that just because they agree with some of what that "team" does that that members of that "team" are always right and members of the other "team" must always be wrong, ignoring the bad ideas presented by ones own "team" and ignoring good ideas presented by the opposition.
Of course most people will agree with more of what one party's views of things are than some other party. Ideas from any political party tend to be interrelated to an overall view of how society *should* work (while often in large part ignoring how things actually DO work). Most people "lean" one way or another. That's to be expected. But taking on the mantle of being "with team X" often means a person is working more for the success of that "team" regardless of what that "team" is actually doing.
Note: "teams" (in quotes) in this post denote political gamesmanship. The word "party" is used when discussing how they relate to the world of political ideas, a completely separate concept.
Just my opinion.

+1 Polling is inherently based on the questions and their wording. For example, if I asked whether someone thought that your neighbor ought to be allowed to setup a chemical factory in the house next to yours, most people would say no, but does that mean they are regulation loving democrats, not necessarily. I tried taking it, but have up when it was fairly obvious the questions were just divisive statement that tried deduce where you lined up after bouncing around between inflammatory rhetoric.

@snarf - It sounds like you're part of what I'll call the "mushy middle", otherwise known as people who don't educate themselves enough on a political topic to have an informed opinion. RMM's right, if you need the security of a team, pledge allegiance to a party. But, if what you're interested in is solving political problems, then you have to educate yourself on the subjects your interested in and use that knowledge to influence the political debate on the issue.

Posted 1 year ago #