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What Makes a Vibrant Downtown Columbus?
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Pickerington_Kyle said:
I don't understand why people would be afraid to go downtown... My mom hates going downtown and i'm the complete opposite. ha.my mom loved downtown,especially the north market,but she hated city center.
she said they tore the soul out of downtown building that thing.
back in her day,downtown was the place to be.well,that and valleydale.
Posted 11 months ago # -
OddTodd
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I disagree with City Center mall. Here in Indy it brings are large segment of people to the downtown area. Also, I think what is missing is the large amount of conventions that Indy has. It truly brings people into the downtown and keeps them there. On the flip side Columbus has much stronger neighborhoods downtown and each creates their own community for the downtown area. Both cities could learn a lot froom each other.
Posted 11 months ago # -
people211
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OddTodd said:
I disagree with City Center mall. Here in Indy it brings are large segment of people to the downtown area. Also, I think what is missing is the large amount of conventions that Indy has. It truly brings people into the downtown and keeps them there. On the flip side Columbus has much stronger neighborhoods downtown and each creates their own community for the downtown area. Both cities could learn a lot froom each other.I'm curious to know how the mall in downtown Indianapolis was designed. I still don't understand why city center was built with no windows so people could see inside from the street.
Posted 11 months ago # -
columbusmike
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My experience with the mall in Indianapolis is that parking is not necessarily attached to the actual mall. This means quite a few people spill into the street. Plus, downtown Indy has a much more vibrant downtown, with much more intact storefront buildings which makes for an enjoyable place to stroll around with or without the mall. I think the reason CityCenter was a failure was a combination of lack of windows AND on-site parking that discouraged wandering about.
Posted 11 months ago # -
Pickerington_Kyle
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Columbus already has WAY to much parking. You litterally could go anywhere in downtown and park in a garage within 3 minutes of your destination.
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Pickerington_Kyle said:
About the flow on the sidewalk. You don't see as much people on the sidewalk when we have 4 or 5 sky-walks and a parking garage every 2 blocks.Any stats, citation of some kind, that proves that leads to greater economic activity?
I'm skeptical. The times I get drug out to parts of town like GV or SN I'm focused on the destination. Walking around is a detriment, although I expect parking to be more of a pain.
Posted 11 months ago # -
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rus said:
Any stats, citation of some kind, that proves that leads to greater economic activity?I'm skeptical. The times I get drug out to parts of town like GV or SN I'm focused on the destination. Walking around is a detriment, although I expect parking to be more of a pain.
If you were to walk or take a mode of public transportation to your destination your able to walk by a store that you wouldn't have and buy something from there. Also it just looks better when people are walking around.
Posted 11 months ago # -
Graybeak
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Pickerington_Kyle said:
Columbus already has WAY to much parking. You litterally could go anywhere in downtown and park in a garage within 3 minutes of your destination.Did you not read about the lack of parking downtown?
Arena District Parking Garage...Posted 11 months ago # -
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Pickerington_Kyle said:
If you were to walk or take a mode of public transportation to your destination your able to walk by a store that you wouldn't have and buy something from there.When I did take public transport exclusively I can't say I did that often, if at all.
Pickerington_Kyle said:
Also it just looks better when people are walking around.Um. Well, guess we'll have chalk that up to personal tastes.
Posted 11 months ago # -
OddTodd
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people211 said:
I'm curious to know how the mall in downtown Indianapolis was designed. I still don't understand why city center was built with no windows so people could see inside from the street.I certainly agree that it is VERY enclosed. However you can use skywalks to get to the convention center and several other locations, including hotels. It makes a very simple process for the visitor to move around. I am not saying that the streets are forgotten with the "tubes". Monument Circle is always full and while not as dense as I would like to see, there are stores and restaurants at street in the area. Also - Georgia Street, which was made into a plaza for the Super Bowl will help with bringing in more foot traffic.
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columbusmike
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rus said:
Any stats, citation of some kind, that proves that leads to greater economic activity?I'm sure someone, somewhere has done a study (probably with government grant money) to prove the obvious....that parking lots generate much less foot traffic than retail/housing/office space. :)
Posted 11 months ago # -
Walker
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OddTodd said:
I certainly agree that it is VERY enclosed. However you can use skywalks to get to the convention center and several other locations, including hotels. It makes a very simple process for the visitor to move around.That sounds like a pretty big difference right there. The City Center Mall in Columbus was about a mile from the Convention Center. Not a completely unwalkable distance, but I doubt that convention goers were much of a shopping force at our mall...
Posted 11 months ago # -
jpizzow
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rus said:
When I did take public transport exclusively I can't say I did that often, if at all.Um. Well, guess we'll have chalk that up to personal tastes.
I certainly would not want to be in a "dead zone" with no people walking around. Pretty sure retailers would not either.
Posted 11 months ago # -
Walker
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So, last night I left a party just north of campus and hopped a bus to head home. As usual, the slow COTA crawl down High Street on a Saturday summer evening revealed quite a few people out and about all through campus, south campus, Short North, Arena District as expected. It was a really nice night out last night, and while I don't think there was any major huge events going on, it seemed like there was enough fun to be had all throughout the entire stretch of High.
Hopped off the bus at High & Long/Gay to grab the last #6 home at midnight and during my 10 minute wait at the bus stop I couldn't help but notice how many people were out and about. Lot of couples out for walks. A group of teens skateboarding. Some twenty-somethings heading to/from the clubs on Long Street around the corner. Groups who looked to be in town for conventions wandering around looking for late night food/drinks. Not to mention a number of cars and cabs and bikes and scooters/motorcycles zooming along. And so on and so forth.
Again, this was at midnight.
This scene has grown more and more common Downtown over the past few years, and while it's been incredibly incremental (and still has a long way to go), I'd certainly describe what I saw as vibrant last night. If only there were an extra restaurant/bar/patio or two right on High Street open late, it wouldn't have looked too much different than most of campus or the Short North, which was even more hopping than Downtown.
Anyway. Good times. ;)
Posted 9 months ago # -
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There was a concert at Cosi (waterfire?) that lasted until around 11pm yesterday. We watched it from the swings on the downtown side of the river. A ton of people came for it and like us made a late evening out of it. These kind of events are very, very important to creating a vibrant downtown.
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Walker
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Went for a run last night around 9pm through Downtown and found it all to be pretty active and vibrant. A nice summer evening. ;)
Some sort of anime convention at the Convention Center, so there were plenty of cosplayers out walking around that area. Some people out in the Arena District, as usual. Clippers game had people crowded around Huntington Park. There was a wedding reception at North Bank Park, and some sort of party on the Santa Maria. The Scioto Mile was full of people walking, biking and hanging out. Still some kids in the fountains at Bicentennial Park and the patio at Milestone was completely full. Actor's Theatre performing at Columbus Commons, Gay Street was lively as usual. Students moving in at CCAD. And a concert of some sort at The Bluestone had music blasting in every direction.
There were only a few empty/quiet blocks through all of Downtown. Nice.
Posted 8 months ago # -
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The five Cs of neighborhood planning
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