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Walker
The KLD
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I was invited to participate in a conference call about Issue 3 (Casinos) on Tuesday evening with spokesman Bob Tenenbaum.
The official ballot language and info can be found here:
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/IssueProcBallotBd/BallotBoard.aspx
So, does anyone have any questions that they would like answered on this issue?
More news, info and discussion can be found here:
heresthecasey
OSU
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Why do they refuse to accept "NO" as an answer and continue to harass Ohioans every year?
Walker
The KLD
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Anyone else? ;)
howatzer
live and in spandex
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dammit - I was enjoying a whole 5 days without a political thread
catnfiddle
Grandview
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After seeing the huge disappointment Keno revenues have been, how do advocates of this bill propose to bring people back to gambling?
David S Lewis
Columbus, OH
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How did the Governor's executive order authorizing slot machines in the racetracks affect their polling, and separately, their strategy? It seems like that would necessarily complicate things somewhat.
CbusIslander
Cbus Islander
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Q) Is this proposal any better than the previous ones that have appeared on the ballot and why is it?
IMO, this proposal has the best shot of passing due to timing with the state budget gaps and that each major city in Ohio will be getting a new casino (unlike past ones proposing wilmington and earlier two new casinos in the Cleveland area)
Bear
The woods
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Proponents always discuss the merits of casino proposals in terms of additional money kept in Ohio, rather than spent elsewhere, but they rarely talk about the effects on the distribution of wealth in the state -- whether it will make the top 10% of income earners richer or poorer, whether it will make the bottom 10% richer or poorer, etc. Based on the experiences of previous states, what would be the likely redistributive effects of casinos in Ohio?
GViewProgrammer
Columbus/Grandview-area
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A fool and his money are easily parted, although I would personally love the idea of gambling close to home, the idea of essentially gambling our budget woes on gambling(sorry over doing it on that word) is a bit like AIG betting large companies would NEVER go down.
I am EXTREMELY troubled with the Governor's BLATANT abuse of executive privileged but I suppose these days all executive branches are corrupt.
Hael
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Should I hit on a 17 when the dealer shows a 7 or higher?
lifeontwowheels
Suburbia
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catnfiddle wrote >>
After seeing the huge disappointment Keno revenues have been, how do advocates of this bill propose to bring people back to gambling?
Hookers on bikes?
On a more serious note I would agree with some of the other questions and comments:
How is this different than other past proposals?
How does this offer something unique to our state and local communities? Specifically, with the amount of gambling options existing in the immediate region how will this counter market saturation?
colinpperkins
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I heard a really interesting preview for a story that was going to air on WOSU this morning about how the casinos could put an end to church-run Las Vegas nights and the effect that would have on their ability to operate.
I don't necessarily side with churches and think this should be protected or anything. I just found it interesting in that there are probably a wave of secondary implications these casinos could have that nobody has thought of.
Patch
Schumacher Place
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colinpperkins wrote >>
I heard a really interesting preview for a story that was going to air on WOSU this morning about how the casinos could put an end to church-run Las Vegas nights and the effect that would have on their ability to operate.
I don't necessarily side with churches and think this should be protected or anything. I just found it interesting in that there are probably a wave of secondary implications these casinos could have that nobody has thought of.
I never have understood why churches have these nights.
Seems like it goes directly against their principles.
joev
Merion Village
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Patch wrote >>
colinpperkins wrote >>
I heard a really interesting preview for a story that was going to air on WOSU this morning about how the casinos could put an end to church-run Las Vegas nights and the effect that would have on their ability to operate.
I don't necessarily side with churches and think this should be protected or anything. I just found it interesting in that there are probably a wave of secondary implications these casinos could have that nobody has thought of.I never have understood why churches have these nights.
Seems like it goes directly against their principles.
Well, it's usually only the fun churches that do it.
nexttuesday
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Why do they think that Ohioans are somehow magically going to change their minds about casinos this year?
I think it's clear that gambling and lotteries are just a tax for the poor, but at least some of that money will stay in the state rather than going to surrounding states. However, Ohioans do not want casinos. I just don't understand why they continue to put it on the ballot.
lifeontwowheels
Suburbia
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Patch wrote >>
colinpperkins wrote >>
I heard a really interesting preview for a story that was going to air on WOSU this morning about how the casinos could put an end to church-run Las Vegas nights and the effect that would have on their ability to operate.
I don't necessarily side with churches and think this should be protected or anything. I just found it interesting in that there are probably a wave of secondary implications these casinos could have that nobody has thought of.I never have understood why churches have these nights.
Seems like it goes directly against their principles.
It's only sinful if it doesn't directly go into the coffers of the church.
;)
Bear
The woods
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Y'know, actually, looking over those ballot initiatives, Issues 1 and 2 look pretty interesting too.
adrock
Grandview Heights
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i'm curious why the official against argument is allowed to outright lie. they are stating that they'll only pay taxes on 33% of profits. it's really 33% of GROSS revenues minus winnings paid out. but that's very different from what the profits as a company will be after labor and huge overhead costs.
"Ohio would be forced to offer games approved in the future by Michigan, West Virginia, Indiana or Pennsylvania."
this is a little dramatic. it just says that if a casino in one of those states offers it, then ohio can too. in other words, it will keep ohio casinos competitive with every state which borders us.
"It pre-empts most local and state laws, including zoning laws."
how can a constitutional amendment pre-empt the law when the constitution is the highest law in ohio?
Matthew
Highland West
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People are going to spend their money the way they want to. At least casinos bring in huge tax revenues for cities and states. They also help tourism, hotels, etc. Having been employed by casinos in Indiana back in the day, I can tell you that the state put a lot of guidelines on the casinos. The casinos were responsbible for funding addiction courses for alcohol, nicotine, and gaming. If they recognized players with gaming addictions they were required by law to remove them, and we removed plenty of people for it. It wasn't just some obscure rule that nobody remembered. In Indiana the IGC had guys watching everything under cover. They drove nice cars, and received great steady paychecks. IGC was an arm of the state patrol, and there was a waiting list a year long for those jobs. The government holds the key to how good or bad casinos will be in Ohio.
As far as lamenting about when they might stop asking the voters. If you are so against it then keep voting against it. Seriously, it is as simple as hitting a little box on a screen. I want them to keep asking for it so that I can keep voting yes. Blast away.
Tigertree
771 N. High St.
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I agree Matthew. I helped shoot a commercial for a Casino in San Diego that was expanding to a new community. It was targeted towards community members that may want to seek employment at the new facility, so basically it was just us interviewing and getting testimonials from current employees. Everyone seemed happy, pay was good, benefits were outstanding and there was real potential for growth in the company and movement to other casinos they owned around the country if you chose. I personally think it's hard to argue against an industry that has an increasing presence in almost all of our bordering states.