columbusfoodie
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kcrissinger wrote >>
You should call them and give them an interview.
If I had any reason to believe they had an interest in reportng the issue fairly, I would. It's not that difficult to find residents on the west side who oppose the move. In my neighborhood, at least, the majority of my neighbors are firmly opposed.
Bear
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I actually cared far less about where the casino was located than I did about whether or not we had one -- until this recent development, which increasingly makes it sound as though relocating the casino saddles the West Side with costs but cuts them off from the majority of the benefits. If that's the case I don't want to be a part of it.
The only lingering doubt I've got has to do with the issue of certainty. The proposed deal would give the West Side $1.2m/year (or thereabouts) for a few generations... regardless of whether the casino folds or moves or (etc.) in a few years' time or not, right? Is that certainty perhaps the reason that they're willing to take the deal? Is there some value in that certainty that should be factored in?
I could pretty much go either way but Swampkitty's been pretty persuasive on this imo.
Walker
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JimL2 wrote >>
This is the kind of reporting I could really get behind. "Something's going to happen but nobody I talked to really cares about it. Seriously, I can't believe I spent four hours trying to get reaction quotes for this fucking piece... Is anybody even reading this? Jesus."It's an existential crisis in news article form. A record of overwhelming public apathy stored on microfiche in the Library of Congress forever.
Someone just got themselves assigned to the Van Wert beat. ;)
kcrissinger
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Bear wrote >>
I actually cared far less about where the casino was located than I did about whether or not we had one -- until this recent development, which increasingly makes it sound as though relocating the casino saddles the West Side with costs but cuts them off from the majority of the benefits. If that's the case I don't want to be a part of it.
The only lingering doubt I've got has to do with the issue of certainty. The proposed deal would give the West Side $1.2m/year (or thereabouts) for a few generations... regardless of whether the casino folds or moves or (etc.) in a few years' time or not, right? Is that certainty perhaps the reason that they're willing to take the deal? Is there some value in that certainty that should be factored in?
I could pretty much go either way but Swampkitty's been pretty persuasive on this imo.
The west side will receive a good portion of the tax revenue generated directly back in investment in the West Broad St corridor. The corridor area is located with both Columbus and Franklin township. Some folks are not viewing the investment as a "corridor" investment, but as what Columbus -vs- Franklin township are getting out of the deal. That may what you're interpreting as the "west side" being cut off from benefits.
What information do you need to sway you to the opinion that many long-time westside residents share; vote yes?
Twixlen
Westgate, Columbus
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FYI: Back to the first page of annexation brouhaha.... Franklin Township had to basically take what the City offered. The property, sharing 300 feet of frontage with the City and falling within the acreage guidelines, can be annexed into the City with only the willingness of the City and property owner.
So while the deal may not sound like the best thing for Franklin Tp to have done, it was the best they were going to get.
Core_Models
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The west side will receive a good portion of the tax revenue generated directly back in investment in the West Broad St corridor.
Actually, zero of the casino tax dollars are planned for the Broad Street Corridor that I know of. That's the real money here, not the property or income taxes, and that's what's going to the city of Columbus now, to do with as they please.
kcrissinger
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Walker wrote >>
Deal annexes casino into city; Franklin Township gets $67 million
Tentative agreement depends on Issue 2's passage Tuesday
Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:33 PM
BY DARREL ROWLAND AND ROBERT VITALE
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
Columbus will annex the potential West Side casino site and give Franklin Township $67 million over the next 50 years under a tentative agreement rolled out this afternoon.
Money generated by the complicated deal would be spread over much of the West Side, concentrating on the Broad Street corridor, regardless of whether the property is in the city or township, said Mayor Michael B. Coleman and Timothy Guyton, chairman of the township's trustees.
What part of the above says that the westside won't get the money?
columbusfoodie
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Bear wrote >>
I actually cared far less about where the casino was located than I did about whether or not we had one -- until this recent development, which increasingly makes it sound as though relocating the casino saddles the West Side with costs but cuts them off from the majority of the benefits. If that's the case I don't want to be a part of it.
The only lingering doubt I've got has to do with the issue of certainty. The proposed deal would give the West Side $1.2m/year (or thereabouts) for a few generations... regardless of whether the casino folds or moves or (etc.) in a few years' time or not, right? Is that certainty perhaps the reason that they're willing to take the deal? Is there some value in that certainty that should be factored in?
I could pretty much go either way but Swampkitty's been pretty persuasive on this imo.
No, the income is dependent on the casino - what Franklin Township is actually receiving is 15% of 2% of the 100% that Columbus will receive from the operation of the casino. If the casino folds, the benefits of the annexation agreement go bye bye. And that $1.2MM a year doesn't necessarily have to be money, it can be paid by Columbus in services, according to the agreement. Here is the full text of the annexation agreement if you're interested in specifics:
http://www.franklin-township.com/BulletinBoardCasinoFacts.htm
JimL2
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Walker wrote >>
JimL2 wrote >>
...Someone just got themselves assigned to the Van Wert beat. ;)
Here is my wikipedia book report on Van Wert.
By JimL2.
Van Wert is a town that was built in a swamp, whose primary residents up until that time had been malaria-carrying mosquitoes. (And probably some indians or something.) After the swamp was drained, Van Wert quickly became known as the only place in the world to manufacture Liederkranz cheese, a cheese so resoundingly unpopular that it was manufactured in only one place. After the cheese factory burned down in 1981, and a serious bacterial contamination was found in 1985's batch, the cheese was finally determined to be haunted and was banished from the free market forever. The New Zealand Dairy Board now owns the exclusive rights to make Liederkranz, if they want to, but they don't.
Famous Van Wertsmen include Larry Crummey, Walker's award-winning sister, a football coach with the nickname of "coach," and . The current mayor of Van Wert is Travis Bickle, of Taxi Driver fame; perhaps in accordance with his waning fame, the population of Van Wert has shrunk steadily since the 1970s.
In conclusion, despite its name, Van Wert is not a significant exporter of either vans or warts. All other facts about Van Wert were possibly sealed as state secrets, and so cannot be included in this report.
Thank you for your time.
columbusfoodie
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Bear wrote >>
I actually cared far less about where the casino was located than I did about whether or not we had one -- until this recent development, which increasingly makes it sound as though relocating the casino saddles the West Side with costs but cuts them off from the majority of the benefits. If that's the case I don't want to be a part of it.
The only lingering doubt I've got has to do with the issue of certainty. The proposed deal would give the West Side $1.2m/year (or thereabouts) for a few generations... regardless of whether the casino folds or moves or (etc.) in a few years' time or not, right? Is that certainty perhaps the reason that they're willing to take the deal? Is there some value in that certainty that should be factored in?
I could pretty much go either way but Swampkitty's been pretty persuasive on this imo.The west side will receive a good portion of the tax revenue generated directly back in investment in the West Broad St corridor. The corridor area is located with both Columbus and Franklin township. Some folks are not viewing the investment as a "corridor" investment, but as what Columbus -vs- Franklin township are getting out of the deal. That may what you're interpreting as the "west side" being cut off from benefits.
What information do you need to sway you to the opinion that many long-time westside residents share; vote yes?
While many parts of the "west side" are technically located in Columbus, you wouldn't know it based on the way we are treated by city hall. Not until it became politically convenient did the Coleman administration have ANY interest in creating the JEDD, and if Issue 2 fails to pass, I'm very interested in how quickly it will all be forgotten. I'm of the opinion that the West side is worth revitalizing whether or not he casino is moved here. I'm just of the opinion that the revitalization has to be done smartly (with an eye to existing neighborhoods and what's right for them) rather than hastily.
This just all rubs me the wrong way - for example, in this weekend's Westside Messenger, there are 4-5 letters in support of Issue 2 (from a bunch of contributors to Stand Up Columbus including Chris Haydocy, Tim Guyton, Dewey Stokes) but none whatsoever from anyone opposed. In the end, everyone will vote with their own conscience, but I just want everyone to have the actual facts (not the BS that the Dispatch, NBC et al have been spreading) to base that decision on.
I hate being all Chicken Little about the whole issue, but the more I learn about the deals that were made behind closed doors, the more I feel like us west siders are being sold out. I'm just afraid that this shot in the arm we are being promised will turn out to be a lethal injection.
columbusfoodie
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kcrissinger wrote >>
Walker wrote >>
Deal annexes casino into city; Franklin Township gets $67 million
Tentative agreement depends on Issue 2's passage Tuesday
Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:33 PM
BY DARREL ROWLAND AND ROBERT VITALE
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
Columbus will annex the potential West Side casino site and give Franklin Township $67 million over the next 50 years under a tentative agreement rolled out this afternoon.
Money generated by the complicated deal would be spread over much of the West Side, concentrating on the Broad Street corridor, regardless of whether the property is in the city or township, said Mayor Michael B. Coleman and Timothy Guyton, chairman of the township's trustees.What part of the above says that the westside won't get the money?
From the actual annexation agreement (link above):
"Establish a project fund by setting aside 2% of the total income tax revenue collected from the Delphi Site for the first five years of operation to be used to encourage businesses to participate in the JEDD, to assist in the mobilization, creation and coordination of the business working group in their effort to enhance the economic viability of the corridor area, and to make improvements in the right-of-way and other projects to revitalize the West Broad Street corridor."
The JEDD is only getting 2% of the casino revenue tax, Columbus gets the other 98%. The JEDD will be financed by the 2.5% income tax collected, 70% of which goes back to the JEDD, 15% of which goes to Columbus, and 15% of which goes to Franklin Twshp.
ETA: And that 2% of the casino revenue the JEDD gets is only for the first five years of the casino's operation. After that, the JEDD gets NADA from the casino taxes. Is that Columbus' way of telling us that they expect the casino to fold after five years?
columbusfoodie
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Twixlen wrote >>
FYI: Back to the first page of annexation brouhaha.... Franklin Township had to basically take what the City offered. The property, sharing 300 feet of frontage with the City and falling within the acreage guidelines, can be annexed into the City with only the willingness of the City and property owner.
So while the deal may not sound like the best thing for Franklin Tp to have done, it was the best they were going to get.
I don't think it was enough of an incentive for the trustees to sell out their constituents (i.e. I have mad respect for Don Cook for saying no - if I were in the position he were in, I would have done the same). Here's the problem with it all. The funding of the JEDD is predicated upon at least 50% of the businesses would be affected by the 2.5% income tax agreeing to it. Otherwise, the only thing funding the JEDD is the 2% casino revenue tax for only 5 years. Unless the district takes off immediately (which is a long shot, to say the least), the JEDD isn't sustainable. This is a recipe for disaster unless the casino is the key to development that everyone thinks it will be (but given history of other towns who have embraced casinos like Atlantic City, Detroit, etc) but will likely be anything but. That would be a long shot in a good economy where business credit were readily available and people were willing to take risks. In the current economy? Fuggedaboutit.
misskitty
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swampkitty wrote >>
kcrissinger wrote >>
Bear wrote >>
I actually cared far less about where the casino was located than I did about whether or not we had one -- until this recent development, which increasingly makes it sound as though relocating the casino saddles the West Side with costs but cuts them off from the majority of the benefits. If that's the case I don't want to be a part of it.
The only lingering doubt I've got has to do with the issue of certainty. The proposed deal would give the West Side $1.2m/year (or thereabouts) for a few generations... regardless of whether the casino folds or moves or (etc.) in a few years' time or not, right? Is that certainty perhaps the reason that they're willing to take the deal? Is there some value in that certainty that should be factored in?
I could pretty much go either way but Swampkitty's been pretty persuasive on this imo.The west side will receive a good portion of the tax revenue generated directly back in investment in the West Broad St corridor. The corridor area is located with both Columbus and Franklin township. Some folks are not viewing the investment as a "corridor" investment, but as what Columbus -vs- Franklin township are getting out of the deal. That may what you're interpreting as the "west side" being cut off from benefits.
What information do you need to sway you to the opinion that many long-time westside residents share; vote yes?While many parts of the "west side" are technically located in Columbus, you wouldn't know it based on the way we are treated by city hall. Not until it became politically convenient did the Coleman administration have ANY interest in creating the JEDD, and if Issue 2 fails to pass, I'm very interested in how quickly it will all be forgotten. I'm of the opinion that the West side is worth revitalizing whether or not he casino is moved here. I'm just of the opinion that the revitalization has to be done smartly (with an eye to existing neighborhoods and what's right for them) rather than hastily.
This just all rubs me the wrong way - for example, in this weekend's Westside Messenger, there are 4-5 letters in support of Issue 2 (from a bunch of contributors to Stand Up Columbus including Chris Haydocy, Tim Guyton, Dewey Stokes) but none whatsoever from anyone opposed. In the end, everyone will vote with their own conscience, but I just want everyone to have the actual facts (not the BS that the Dispatch, NBC et al have been spreading) to base that decision on.
I hate being all Chicken Little about the whole issue, but the more I learn about the deals that were made behind closed doors, the more I feel like us west siders are being sold out. I'm just afraid that this shot in the arm we are being promised will turn out to be a lethal injection.
Very well said and I agree. I am not going to vote yes on this.
I will not take part in something that is clearly Bias and quite frankly Bullshit.
I am also tired of people saying we should take what we can get or this is the most we can ask for that to is bullshit. If someone truly believes that you should always just settle then I bet they get screwed in life a lot.
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