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cheap
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murfmurphy said:
I'm just going to leave this here. When you're done spewing your hate see fit to update your profile picture.

you can label me.you can call me names,it doesnt matter.

i speak realistically about this area.i dont sugar coat it.

westgate homes are "affordable' because it is surrounded by fort dirtbag.

let's get real here.the reason there are no sit down restaurants or coffee shops in this area is because they don't want to be robbed or broken into.

there are a lot of great people that live in this area.i meet them every day.

but for every one of those great people i meet,you have 10 others that want to break into that great person's house.

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Anyone know why Jack's Coneys on Broad closed? Was it because their rent was raised, lack of business, something else?

Has something new moved into the old Big Bear/Buckeye Ranch?

It seems the area was doing pretty decently just 10 or 15 years ago, especially the area from Soldano to the highway though I recall little pockets of stuff all along Broad.

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murfmurphy
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cheap said:
you can label me.you can call me names,it doesnt matter.

i speak realistically about this area.i dont sugar coat it.

westgate homes are "affordable' because it is surrounded by fort dirtbag.

let's get real here.the reason there are no sit down restaurants or coffee shops in this area is because they don't want to be robbed or broken into.

there are a lot of great people that live in this area.i meet them every day.

but for every one of those great people i meet,you have 10 others that want to break into that great person's house.

I don't think there is anyone sugar coating anything. Westgate homes are affordable because the area around us isn't in the best shape, but that changes when people come in and want to see improvement in an area, not spout subtle racist digs at the other people that are there. You constantly piss and moan about people who don't do any good and, to be honest, your pissing and moaning is no better than what you complain about. You can spend hours bitching about the trash that was dropped on the street or you can get off your ass and pick it up or, if you don't want to do anything positive, you can stop bitching in a public forum and let people who actually want to see improvement have a discussion.

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cheap
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murfmurphy said:
I don't think there is anyone sugar coating anything. Westgate homes are affordable because the area around us isn't in the best shape, but that changes when people come in and want to see improvement in an area, not spout subtle racist digs at the other people that are there. You constantly piss and moan about people who don't do any good and, to be honest, your pissing and moaning is no better than what you complain about. You can spend hours bitching about the trash that was dropped on the street or you can get off your ass and pick it up or, if you don't want to do anything positive, you can stop bitching in a public forum and let people who actually want to see improvement have a discussion.

where do you get off telling me what i should type on my keyboard?anything you type is no more important than what i type.

insinuating i make racist digs is lame,and you know it.i have never mentioned race whatsoever.

you cannot refute one thing i have stated.not one frigging thing.

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lifeontwowheels
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awra2001 said:
Talk about the fastest way to stop progress. I wonder if someone in the city has ever considered doing something like they did in the Short North - if someone takes a store front, they'll do street improvements... but from what I heard, it's like pulling teeth to get Columbus to work development in Hilltop in general.

It's a shame about Handy Bikes.

Has anyone ever really pushed the co-op idea in the neighborhood? I think it makes it a unique way to "throw money" out there.

Like a bike co-op? I would offer my garage in a heart beat if there was enough interest and help.

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lifeontwowheels
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cheap said:
where do you get off telling me what i should type on my keyboard?anything you type is no more important than what i type.

insinuating i make racist digs is lame,and you know it.i have never mentioned race whatsoever.

you cannot refute one thing i have stated.not one frigging thing.

Lucs
The Thai import store and the restaurant that leases space in the back
Dairy Twist
Josies
Joseppi's
The record shop a few down from the Cycle Shop
The Cycle Shop
Jack's, until the landlord went bat shit crazy
Blueberry Hill

All businesses out here in Highland West or Westgate. All doing well as far as I can tell. So there is a market for businesses and certainly an environment one need not fear if they do an ounce of research.

Of course there is also this 65 page market report published by the Hilltop Business Association.

Of course I know not to expect one sentence of civil, real discussion from you that is in any way related to fact. So this response is really for the other board members to consider and discuss.

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lifeontwowheels
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johnwirtz said:
The density in the area is decently high (for Columbus), but the incomes are relatively low. There are a couple of census tracts that have a high enough aggregate income density that it looks like Sullivant between Hague and Demorest could be an attractive spot for a walkable local business district from an economic standpoint. However, the urban form isn't good. Needs fewer lanes of traffic, wider sidewalks, on-street parking, more trees... I think a streetscape project and a road diet could go a long way here.

In terms of the economics, I think one thing that could do well out here are hybrid type businesses that may focus on production and distribution to a larger market. I'm thinking coffee roasters, microbrew and distillery operations, baked goods and so on that may see distribution to various outlets across the region but could build out a small storefront to have a presence and opportunity to market from the source.

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cheap
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lifeontwowheels said:
Lucs
The Thai import store and the restaurant that leases space in the back
Dairy Twist
Josies
Joseppi's
The record shop a few down from the Cycle Shop
The Cycle Shop
Jack's, until the landlord went bat shit crazy
Blueberry Hill

All businesses out here in Highland West or Westgate. All doing well as far as I can tell. So there is a market for businesses and certainly an environment one need not fear if they do an ounce of research.

Of course there is also this 65 page market report published by the Hilltop Business Association.

Of course I know not to expect one sentence of civil, real discussion from you that is in any way related to fact. So this response is really for the other board members to consider and discuss.

this topic is addressing the absence of sit down restaurants and coffee shops in westgate.

you are showing businesses that have been in this area for years.
a pizza joint or a thai restaurant i would not consider a sit down restaurant,and Jack's food sucked.
you can't get an omellette at any of them.

the facts i have stated about this area have not been refuted by you or anyone else.

as for civility,that's your problem if you can't handle what you see typed on your computer monitor.

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lifeontwowheels
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cheap said:
this topic is addressing the absence of sit down restaurants and coffee shops in westgate.

you are showing businesses that have been in this area for years.
a pizza joint or a thai restaurant i would not consider a sit down restaurant,and Jack's food sucked.
you can't get an omellette at any of them.

the facts i have stated about this area have not been refuted by you or anyone else.

as for civility,that's your problem if you can't handle what you see typed on your computer monitor.

Not sit down?!? You can certainly sit down at the Thai place and you can certainly sit down at Joseippis.

let's get real here.the reason there are no sit down restaurants or coffee shops in this area is because they don't want to be robbed or broken into.

They may not meet [b]your[/b] asinine definition but in every sense of the word, they do meet. The listing of businesses I gave certainly show it is possible to own and operate a business in this area without fear, as you claim. I have also provided a resource to obtain the marketing study. What facts can you offer?

Hint, your ~~jackass~~ opinions don't count as fact. You have every right to spew them but it certainly does not make them correct. As others stated, people like you are the problem. It's possible to be real about the issues here and many of us are. If you're not happy move and get the fuck out. We'd be happy to have someone in your place that can contribute positively to this area rather than take every opportunity to bring it down.

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cheap
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oah yes,the name calling and profanity begins.

im scared.i might have walker delete my account.

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lifeontwowheels
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cheap said:
ah yes,the name calling begins.

you lose.

Facts. Offer them please. If this place is so run down, then how these places (which by your admission have been here for years) continue to run? Certainly the warzone that is the westside, this desolate hovel of a slum would have seen these businesses robbed and broken into so many times they would have been run out by now.

The picture you paint at every opportunity is ridiculous.

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DavidF
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cheap said:
oah yes,the name calling and profanity begins.

im scared.i might have walker delete my account.

This is your only purpose isn't it? Just to provoke people. Personally, this is the last response I'm going to make to one of your deliberately baiting posts. I encourage others to do the same. Criticism is one thing, and we all do it, but you are simply trying to provoke people with no real interest in the vast majority of threads you post in.

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lifeontwowheels
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DavidF said:
This is your only purpose isn't it? Just to provoke people. Personally, this is the last response I'm going to make to one of your deliberately baiting posts. I encourage others to do the same. Criticism is one thing, and we all do it, but you are simply trying to provoke people with no real interest in the vast majority of threads you post in.

We need the ignore feature back.

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cheap
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lifeontwowheels said:
Facts. Offer them please. If this place is so run down, then how these places (which by your admission have been here for years) continue to run? Certainly the warzone that is the westside, this desolate hovel of a slum would have seen these businesses robbed and broken into so many times they would have been run out by now.

The picture you paint at every opportunity is ridiculous.

you still don't get it.

this topic is about starting new places,not the same old crap

the businesses you describe are established.why would they not stay?rent is probably cheap as hell.

the west side will always be a shithole,and i have given the reasons why.that is just the way it is.

if you choose to wear blinders and ignore the facts,knock yourself out.

DavidF said:
This is your only purpose isn't it? Just to provoke people. Personally, this is the last response I'm going to make to one of your deliberately baiting posts. I encourage others to do the same. Criticism is one thing, and we all do it, but you are simply trying to provoke people with no real interest in the vast majority of threads you post in.

am i supposed to really care whether you respond to anything i type?

like i stated earlier,if you have a problem with what i type, it is your problem.

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lifeontwowheels
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I come home to families on their porch, some working in the yard, kids playing. I'm sorry I don't actively look for trouble. My little corner is wonderful.

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Walker
The KLD / Downtown / Gay Street
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Enough with the personal bickering.

Discuss the topic at hand and leave the fighting out of it.

THANKS.

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CalebR
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As for the west side always been a shithole lets look at Downtown, Franklinton, German Village, OTE, etc. All neighborhoods that were lacking in needs, high crime rates, etc, and look at where they are now. They are some of the hottest spots in Central Ohio [that's my own opinion]. If we have people who constantly complain and such about the West Side being a shithole then of course it will always be. I'd rather have residents who push for a better West Side than one who complains about everything. And for not refuting your OPINIONS cheap, they are opinions.. we can't change them obviously. And why do we have to prove you wrong? Who cares? If you want us to try and prove you wrong, and we don't that's your problem... back on topic..

I think businesses should be better coordinated and such. I've seen successful businesses all over the West Side. Mexican restaurants, pizza places, Tony's Coneys, flooring outlets, etc, etc. Yes the west side gets a bad rap but it doesn't mean it couldn't change.

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ZHC
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johnwirtz said:
The density in the area is decently high (for Columbus), but the incomes are relatively low. There are a couple of census tracts that have a high enough aggregate income density that it looks like Sullivant between Hague and Demorest could be an attractive spot for a walkable local business district from an economic standpoint. However, the urban form isn't good. Needs fewer lanes of traffic, wider sidewalks, on-street parking, more trees... I think a streetscape project and a road diet could go a long way here.

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I think you've nailed a big part of it John.

It's been a while since I looked, but one thing I've oft noticed on the west side is that there also isn't many prime retail ready buildings. Some of the better spots I've seen have significant customer access problems. If your customers can't get to you conveniently they'll often go somewhere else , even if it's further away.

I agree some redesign of the area's streets and "urban form" as you put it would go a very long way in helping Westgate unlock it's potential.

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ZHC
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ZHC said:
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I think you've nailed a big part of it John.

It's been a while since I looked, but one thing I've oft noticed on the west side is that there also isn't many prime retail ready buildings. Some of the better spots I've seen have significant customer access problems. If your customers can't get to you conveniently they'll often go somewhere else , even if it's further away.

I agree some redesign of the area's streets and "urban form" as you put it would go a very long way in helping Westgate unlock it's potential.

Just a correction on my part, I must have been thinking of another part of town. I just google street viewed the commercial corridors and the retail spaces in general look to be better than I recollected.

I still think John's points and advice stand however

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cheap
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Sullivant ave between Demorest & Hague to me is a very important corridor in this area,and it's being totally ignored by the city.

the outside lane is SHOT,and the sidewalks are so bad it's dangerous.

but there are property owners who are spending money on their property.

the people that run the building at Huron & Sullivant are having an empty lot next to it fenced up.it will be a playground for the kids at the title XX daycare center in the building,so they don't have to walk to westgate elementary to play.

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