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Walker
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Neighbors see casino driving up land value
Thursday, May 6, 2010
BY JIM WEIKER
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

A casino isn't supposed to open on the West Side until 2012, but the gambling has already begun.

Property speculation, which started with the January proposal to move the casino to the site of a former auto-parts factory, took on new immediacy after Tuesday's vote approving the move.

"Our property value just doubled," said Stephen Yee, owner of Ding Ho restaurant on Phillipi Road just north of the casino site.

READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/05/06/neighbors-see-casino-driving-up-land-value.html

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kcrissinger
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It is good to see positive things happening already. This may just turn out to be the thing that brings back the area. I'm excited to see what great new dining options may be presented.

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Twixlen
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I admit I'm thinking of the overall complex it could be there, at that intersection of G-ville + West Broad, down to the 270 ramps.

Some restaurants, decent retail.... maybe even a real grocery store?? KROGER? ARE YOU LISTENING? That store @ the Soldano plaza is crap.

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jarsloth
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Walker wrote >>
Neighbors see casino driving up land value
Thursday, May 6, 2010
BY JIM WEIKER
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
A casino isn't supposed to open on the West Side until 2012, but the gambling has already begun.
Property speculation, which started with the January proposal to move the casino to the site of a former auto-parts factory, took on new immediacy after Tuesday's vote approving the move.
"Our property value just doubled," said Stephen Yee, owner of Ding Ho restaurant on Phillipi Road just north of the casino site.
READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/05/06/neighbors-see-casino-driving-up-land-value.html

Ah... the Ding Ho...

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kcrissinger
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Twixlen wrote >>
I admit I'm thinking of the overall complex it could be there, at that intersection of G-ville + West Broad, down to the 270 ramps.
Some restaurants, decent retail.... maybe even a real grocery store?? KROGER? ARE YOU LISTENING? That store @ the Soldano plaza is crap.

LOL. Maybe we can bury Kroghetto West soon.

I'm trying to envision the same type of district there on Broad/Georgesville. I'll bet George is glad he moved from his original location now. What do you think will happen with the old Lincoln Lanes?

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Walker
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Personally, I'm concerned that whatever new development we see occurring won't be long-term development. I think Swampkitty has made this point in some other threads about the Casino, but essentially, what we might be looking at is a short-term shot in the arm for these strip malls and retail centers along Broad. The suburban retail configuration along Broad out there needs a major overhaul if we expect something a little more long-term. Otherwise, in 15 years we might be right back where we started.

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Twixlen
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Walker wrote >>
Personally, I'm concerned that whatever new development we see occurring won't be long-term development. I think Swampkitty has made this point in some other threads about the Casino, but essentially, what we might be looking at is a short-term shot in the arm for these strip malls and retail centers along Broad. The suburban retail configuration along Broad out there needs a major overhaul if we expect something a little more long-term. Otherwise, in 15 years we might be right back where we started.

This is pretty much where I am as well. It isn't enough to rehab - places like Lincoln Village need to be torn down, and even some of the buildings along Broad could be torn down to make room for more sensible retail spaces (in relation to parking and enter/exit onto Broad). For instance - the location of the Deals and Steals/Ohio Thrift building across the road from Westland would make a great location for a decent hotel.

There is a pretty high poplation density within 2 miles of that corner - it's time for there to be something (besides a casino) that gets those folks back into their own neighborhood, spending money.

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It would be great if COTA set up some shuttles from downtown/convention center/ Short North to Casino. Maybe eventually a street car down Broad.

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Walker
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cc wrote >>
It would be great if COTA set up some shuttles from downtown/convention center/ Short North to Casino. Maybe eventually a street car down Broad.

A Streetcar works best for shorter lines. Running over 6 miles from the CC down Broad Street might not be a good Streetcar route.

Personally, I think it would make more sense to run a commuter rail line along the existing tracks from the Airport to the Convention Center to the West Side (tracks cross near Wilson & Broad and run behind the Delphi site).

Penn said that they were willing to pony up a few hundred million for new highway off ramps at the Arena District site. Perhaps they can pony up some money to help connect their site to the rest of the city via rail?

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kcrissinger
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Twixlen wrote >>

Walker wrote >>
Personally, I'm concerned that whatever new development we see occurring won't be long-term development. I think Swampkitty has made this point in some other threads about the Casino, but essentially, what we might be looking at is a short-term shot in the arm for these strip malls and retail centers along Broad. The suburban retail configuration along Broad out there needs a major overhaul if we expect something a little more long-term. Otherwise, in 15 years we might be right back where we started.

This is pretty much where I am as well. It isn't enough to rehab - places like Lincoln Village need to be torn down, and even some of the buildings along Broad could be torn down to make room for more sensible retail spaces (in relation to parking and enter/exit onto Broad). For instance - the location of the Deals and Steals/Ohio Thrift building across the road from Westland would make a great location for a decent hotel.
There is a pretty high poplation density within 2 miles of that corner - it's time for there to be something (besides a casino) that gets those folks back into their own neighborhood, spending money.

Twix, did you mean Lincoln Park West? Lincoln Village is a pretty large neighborhood to tear down...

I agree with both of you that some sensible things need to be developed here along side of the casino things. Hopefully, that will happen. As Twixlen said before, we need a good grocery store. We also need decent places to eat and decent places to shop besides Target and Kohls. Hmmmm, maybe if I'm lucky, the offices for Ohio Nativescapes could end up there.....

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jarsloth
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kcrissinger wrote >>

Twixlen wrote >>

Walker wrote >>
Personally, I'm concerned that whatever new development we see occurring won't be long-term development. I think Swampkitty has made this point in some other threads about the Casino, but essentially, what we might be looking at is a short-term shot in the arm for these strip malls and retail centers along Broad. The suburban retail configuration along Broad out there needs a major overhaul if we expect something a little more long-term. Otherwise, in 15 years we might be right back where we started.

This is pretty much where I am as well. It isn't enough to rehab - places like Lincoln Village need to be torn down, and even some of the buildings along Broad could be torn down to make room for more sensible retail spaces (in relation to parking and enter/exit onto Broad). For instance - the location of the Deals and Steals/Ohio Thrift building across the road from Westland would make a great location for a decent hotel.
There is a pretty high poplation density within 2 miles of that corner - it's time for there to be something (besides a casino) that gets those folks back into their own neighborhood, spending money.

Twix, did you mean Lincoln Park West? Lincoln Village is a pretty large neighborhood to tear down...
I agree with both of you that some sensible things need to be developed here along side of the casino things. Hopefully, that will happen. As Twixlen said before, we need a good grocery store. We also need decent places to eat and decent places to shop besides Target and Kohls. Hmmmm, maybe if I'm lucky, the offices for Ohio Nativescapes could end up there.....

I think she was referring to (and correct me if I'm wrong) the shopping center located right in front of Lincoln Village, where the JoAnn's is. Lincoln Village is where I live and I'd hate to have them tear it down, especially after just putting in a new bathroom :)

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Twixlen
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Naw naw naw... I'm thinking of Wingate Villages... I always want to call it Lincoln Village, because I know the side street is Lincoln Ct, and because I'm an idiot. Sorry for the confusing... I'm talking about those complexes right behind Westland off G-ville - Wingate is all but abandoned and it's all so rough and not kept up at all.

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Talcott
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Walker wrote >>
A Streetcar works best for shorter lines. Running over 6 miles from the CC down Broad Street might not be a good Streetcar route.
Personally, I think it would make more sense to run a commuter rail line along the existing tracks from the Airport to the Convention Center to the West Side (tracks cross near Wilson & Broad and run behind the Delphi site).
Penn said that they were willing to pony up a few hundred million for new highway off ramps at the Arena District site. Perhaps they can pony up some money to help connect their site to the rest of the city via rail?

Yes, please!

I can't think of any single thing that would help Columbus (including the West side) as much as a reliable form of transportation on that route. We desperately need a non-taxi/car way to get to and from the airport (the bus route is not one of COTA's strongest), and I think that a commuter line heading West would open up a lot more development than anything running up or down High St would (which isn't to say that I wouldn't love a street car someday).

Even if Penn National wasn't willing to chip in, I wonder if this would be a more viable route to propose for a starter line. It seems like this is a route that would link a more diverse and underserviced stretch of the city than High St. does, but would also have direct advantages for the big players downtown and in the Arena District.

Or has this been proposed and shot down in the past?

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zenmom
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I agree with WalkerÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s concerns. I think the goal of the casino is going to keep people on their property. I think they are going to look at building or partnering with restaurants and hotels on their site. IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m not convinced it will support other restaurants, hotels, theaters, etc. in the area.

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Tigertree
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I say this with extreme caution as I have made my stance known on the casino move. That said I think good can be made out of every situation so I will say that, if our community (and that part needs to be stressed because Penn isn't going to do it) gets together, there will be an influx of new money to the area as well as jobs, and we can channel that into something. Everything from the floor layout down to the parking garage in a casino is designed to keep you there as long as possible. So not much hope for overflow to surrounding businesses for casino patrons, but if the current retail and dining mix is to support x employed persons in the area and that x factor jumps significantly there is some hope. Now is the time to start getting together to get the overlay that should be in place extended so we see more than short lived strip mall revitalization.

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Walker
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Talcott wrote >>
Or has this been proposed and shot down in the past?

Not that I'm aware of.

Tigertree wrote >>
I say this with extreme caution as I have made my stance known on the casino move. That said I think good can be made out of every situation so I will say that, if our community (and that part needs to be stressed because Penn isn't going to do it) gets together, there will be an influx of new money to the area as well as jobs, and we can channel that into something. Everything from the floor layout down to the parking garage in a casino is designed to keep you there as long as possible. So not much hope for overflow to surrounding businesses for casino patrons, but if the current retail and dining mix is to support x employed persons in the area and that x factor jumps significantly there is some hope. Now is the time to start getting together to get the overlay that should be in place extended so we see more than short lived strip mall revitalization.

+1 to all of that.

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kcrissinger
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Twixlen wrote >>
Naw naw naw... I'm thinking of Wingate Villages... I always want to call it Lincoln Village, because I know the side street is Lincoln Ct, and because I'm an idiot. Sorry for the confusing... I'm talking about those complexes right behind Westland off G-ville - Wingate is all but abandoned and it's all so rough and not kept up at all.

You're not an idiot, we love ya.

I knew what you were talking about. Those apartments started as Lincoln Park West. Then they changed to Shannon Way. Then Oak something or other. Now they're Wingate. They are in definite need of obliteration (in fact, while you're at it, demolish Wedgewood at the same time).

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Walker
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Casino Brings Expectation Of Economic Turnaround
By Patrick Preston
Published: May 06, 2010

Columbus' west side is anticipating an economic turnaround in the wake of Issue 2 passing. The casino is expected to be a catalyst for development in the surrounding neighborhood after Ohio voters agreed to move the facility out of the Arena District and onto the former Delphi plant site on Georgesville Road.

READ MORE: http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2010/may/06/casino-brings-expectation-economic-turnaround-ar-70035/

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Twixlen
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I love the tack on to the end of the write up that the casino MAY improve housing values. Thanks for the bone, NBC4!

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jackoh
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Walker wrote >>
Personally, I'm concerned that whatever new development we see occurring won't be long-term development. I think Swampkitty has made this point in some other threads about the Casino, but essentially, what we might be looking at is a short-term shot in the arm for these strip malls and retail centers along Broad. The suburban retail configuration along Broad out there needs a major overhaul if we expect something a little more long-term. Otherwise, in 15 years we might be right back where we started.

This is precisely the point. The market for the purchase of sites or parcels of land in this area given the prospect of the casino should be good. But that market is based on pure speculation and it is speculation on land values and potential leases, it is not the development of businesses in the area. And what is dangerous for that area is for speculators to acquire sites and expect a really good return on their investment, so that the leases that they offer end up detering fledgling businesses that could improve the area but couldn't afford the lease.

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