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Started 3 years ago by Doug Z
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Doug Z

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Ganahl spouted off about his political opinions in a You Tube video with WTVN's professional call-in guy, Dave from Powell and Republican primary candidate for 15th District in Congress Bob Wagner.

Manatee wrote:

"Well sure. I agree. But why must this tradition of the right being against science continue to rear its ugly head? There are intelligent, discriminating right-wing people."

Although there is consensus in the peer-reviewed scientific community regarding global warming it is still a political issue.

From Wired: Clive Thompson on How More Info Leads to Less Knowledge

Among Republicans, belief in anthropogenic global warming declined from 52 percent to 42 percent between 2003 and 2008.

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Brant
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I love Jym. Anybody who builds an ice rink in his backyard for neighborhood kids is ok in my book.

But on the subject of climate change, he's got it dead wrong.

According to solar physicists, the sun emitted a third less energy about 4 billion years ago and has been steadily brightening ever since. Yet for most of this time, Earth has been even warmer than today, a phenomenon sometimes called the faint sun paradox. The reason: higher levels of greenhouse gases trapping more of the sun's heat.

But even if solar forcing in the past was more important ... there is no correlation between solar activity and the strong warming during the past 40 years. Claims that this is the case have not stood up to scrutiny.

Direct measurements of solar output since 1978 show a steady rise and fall over the 11-year sunspot cycle, but no upwards or downward trend.

RTWT: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11650

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SLyleCoy
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Sure there's the whole "science vs not science" but has anyone besides al gore actually ever seen his "science"/"math" that he used to figure out all this global warming huztpah? Nope. And no one will for quite some time.

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Walker wrote >>
I would recommend boycotting watching the news on TV, but I'm not sure if people still watch it to begin with?
I get my weather updates from my F12 button.

52% still regularly watch local TV news. 37% regularly get their news from the Internet.

Source: http://people-press.org/report/444/news-media

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Doug Z wrote >>
Among Republicans, belief in anthropogenic global warming declined from 52 percent to 42 percent between 2003 and 2008.

And among Democrats?

P.S. It's irrelevant, save to the political activists, whether it's anthropogenic or not. If a Manhattan-sized meteor were streaking towards Earth, it would not be anthropogenic, but would still require a concerted and directed response. If global warming does exist and is caused by natural geological phenomena, but those phenomena do in fact pose significant threats to human life, the effect would be the same--minus the opportunity for gratuitous finger-pointing at defenders of industrialization. What matters, assuming arguendo that the phenomenon does in fact exist, is the severity of the problem (loss of some borderline-arable farmland, or all of Indonesia underwater?), our response capabilities (can we stop 1% of it? 99%?), and the costs of doing so ($40 billion for energy efficient homes or $40 trillion for a complete abandonment of all carbon-based energy sources?).

If you dig into the IPCC's most recent report (or at least, it was at the time I did so), there is actually a not-inconsiderable degree of evidentiary support in there for the conclusion that global warming may in fact be transpiring, but that the costs of prevention far exceed the costs of adaptation, because only the most radical (by several orders of magnitude) projections actually involve the Waterworld/AI/Innocent Venus scenario.

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SLyleCoy wrote >>
Sure there's the whole "science vs not science" but has anyone besides al gore actually ever seen his "science"/"math" that he used to figure out all this global warming huztpah? Nope. And no one will for quite some time.

The good news is that Al Gore is not really a scientist, and that fortunately, we have an entire world community of scientists who generate endless, peer-reviewed reams of "science/math" that we can all look at whenever we want to. So it doesn't take a lot of chutzpah to conclude that global warming is empirically observable.

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catnfiddle wrote:

"It would be an interesting launching point for a forum featuring Jym as well as OSU paleoclimatologist Lonnie Thompson (dubbed The Ice Hunter by Rolling Stone). Personally, I'd love to watch a debate between the two of them."

That's not going to happen. The global warming scientific debate is over. It's Real, Inexorable, and Headed Our Way.

http://www.emagazine.com/view/?1049

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Doug Z wrote >>
catnfiddle wrote:
"It would be an interesting launching point for a forum featuring Jym as well as OSU paleoclimatologist Lonnie Thompson (dubbed The Ice Hunter by Rolling Stone). Personally, I'd love to watch a debate between the two of them."
That's not going to happen. The global warming scientific debate is over. It's Real, Inexorable, and Headed Our Way.
http://www.emagazine.com/view/?1049

I'm not really concerned with it, my foil hat and jumpsuit is ready.

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SLyleCoy wrote >>
Sure there's the whole "science vs not science" but has anyone besides al gore actually ever seen his "science"/"math" that he used to figure out all this global warming huztpah? Nope. And no one will for quite some time.

I believe the paleoclimatologist I mentioned earlier was one of the sources Gore used for his "chutzpah" (that extra "c" in there is to make sure you pronounce it like you're going to spit afterwards) research. Whether or not you like Gore, his use of Dr. Thompson's work gives him credibility by proxy.

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Brant
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Thank you, DougZ, for coining a new Internet acronym: RIHOW

If only streetcars were RIHOW.

I bet Republicans never guessed that Obama would be RIHOW a year ago.

It's lunchtime! I wish Bono Pizza were RIHOW right about now.

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Brant Jones wrote >>
Thank you, DougZ, for coining a new Internet acronym: RIHOW
If only streetcars were RIHOW.
I bet Republicans never guessed that Obama would be RIHOW a year ago.
It's lunchtime! I wish Bono Pizza were RIHOW right about now.

Damnit! Now my stomach is sobbing.

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Manatee
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Ndcent wrote >>

Doug Z wrote >>
catnfiddle wrote:
"It would be an interesting launching point for a forum featuring Jym as well as OSU paleoclimatologist Lonnie Thompson (dubbed The Ice Hunter by Rolling Stone). Personally, I'd love to watch a debate between the two of them."
That's not going to happen. The global warming scientific debate is over. It's Real, Inexorable, and Headed Our Way.
http://www.emagazine.com/view/?1049

I'm not really concerned with it, my foil hat and jumpsuit is ready.

I'd advise against adding extra insulation when it gets too hot in this hot tub.

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gramarye
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I think most of what I'd say on this topic, I already said in a lively debate with Mercurius three months or so ago, in a discussion prompted by Friedman's Hot, Flat, and Crowded.

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Walker
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Brant Jones wrote >>

Walker wrote >>
I would recommend boycotting watching the news on TV, but I'm not sure if people still watch it to begin with?
I get my weather updates from my F12 button.

52% still regularly watch local TV news. 37% regularly get their news from the Internet.
Source: http://people-press.org/report/444/news-media

I guess I should have clarified... when I said "people" I didn't mean "old people". ;)

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vestanpance
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I watch local TV news... *hide*

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Doug Z wrote >>
Among Republicans, belief in anthropogenic global warming declined from 52 percent to 42 percent between 2003 and 2008.

gramarye wrote:

"And among Democrats?

P.S. It's irrelevant, save to the political activists, whether it's anthropogenic or not. If a Manhattan-sized meteor were streaking towards Earth, it would not be anthropogenic, but would still require a concerted and directed response."

Doug Z:

I don't have polling regarding Democratic voters' views regarding g.w.

You make some good points about the need for action. When you dig deeper you'll find that it's Republicans like Senator James Inhofe who are blocking action.

Converting to a green economy would create millions of good paying jobs---just what the economy needs.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081013/hurowitz

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Tigertree
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Til the green bubble pops like the housing bubble and the .com bubble.

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Manatee
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Yes, because finding a way to power our entire civilization before it collapses under its own weight is so similar to selling ephemeral mortgages or hiring an office "cappucino artist" when you have too much money sitting around.

I'm looking forward to the implosion of the cynicism bubble. It drives up sales of Juno tickets but doesn't do much else for me.

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Tigertree
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I think some good will come out of our current situation for sure. I am talking about the marketing of products.

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Manatee
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Tigertree wrote >>
I think some good will come out of our current situation for sure. I am talking about the marketing of products.

Oh, I see. I can agree with that with a caveat-- I am wary of the "green bubble" focusing on products that are trendy but not useful in the long run. I do think we have to be very discriminating about which "green products" we support. A lot of people will be looking to make a quick buck.

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